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Friday, December 21, 2007

Joel Stein, Starbucks and Heaven

If you haven’t been here since Tuesday, you missed the final Bonhoeffer blog. You can page down to get it. I’m not waiting to post this until next Tuesday, both because it’ll be Christmas, and a LA Times column printed today prompted me to write this.

If you want something Christmas related, here are my answers to some questions about Christmas. And here’s the first article I ever wrote for publication, on the Christmas Shepherds. In the next blog, by New Years, I hope to show some family pics from 2007.

Now, the man in the picture is not a Christmas shepherd, but Joel Stein, a prominent columnist for The Los Angeles Times. He’s written features for Time magazine, and has impressive journalistic credentials. He says this of himself on the front page of his website: “I’m the guy who loves porn and hates America.” He’s known for his column where he said he not only opposes the war in Iraq, he opposes U.S. troops. Clearly he’s a man who says what he thinks.

So three days ago it got my attention when Joel Stein emailed me and asked to talk about the many responses he’s gotten to this quote of his on a Starbucks cup.


In case you can’t read it in the photo, it says: “Heaven is totally overrated. It seems boring. Clouds, listening to people play the harp. It should be somewhere you can’t wait to go, like a luxury hotel. Maybe blue skies and soft music were enough to keep people in line in the 17th century, but heaven has to step it up a bit. They’re basically getting by because they only have to be better than hell.”

Joel follows this quote in his column (link below) by saying, “It is, indeed, kind of disgusting that Starbucks sells coffee cups that big.”

Stein called me because “after reading the Starbucks cup, five people mailed me your book Heaven.” He found that fascinating and decided to write a column on it.

We spoke for fifty minutes, and had a pleasant discussion. True, I was acutely aware that many farm animals have heard the farmer speak pleasantly to them all the way to the slaughterhouse. Having seen how Joel has portrayed Christians in his columns, I realized he could cream me. I’ll let you decide whether he did. Here it is, in the Friday December 21 L. A. Times.

You may want to read his column now and come back to my blog later. To whet your appetite, Joel begins, “I have a bad habit of annoying Christians. Partly it’s because I don’t believe in Jesus, and partly it’s because Jesus keeps letting me write columns about how I don’t believe in Jesus.”

Someone just emailed to ask how I felt about the column. Good, actually. It could have been laced with sarcasm and ridicule, and accusations of intolerance. It wasn’t. Joel Stein may be misguided, but he is a likable guy, a great writer, articulate, witty and laugh-out-loud funny. Even when he slightly misquoted or took my words out of context to get a laugh, I enjoyed it.

Stein's column contained less misstatement than I expected based on many past experiences with journalists, secular and Christian. (No offense to journalists, but they tend to scrawl notes and later rely on faulty memories to fill in the gaps with their own words, which are sometimes remarkably different than what you actually said. Joel Stein, however, was mostly accurate in his citations.)

A dozen people have mentioned this Starbucks cup and several have given it to me. Joel asked me why so many of the Christians who’ve contacted him about his quote are so angry about it. I pointed out there are lots of angry people, and many of them aren’t Christians. And many Christians aren’t angry. I said yeah, some Christians are defensive and always picking fights and whining, but there are many Christians who are kind and gracious, not anger-driven. To his credit, Joel acknowledged that some Christians who’ve contacted him have been nice.

He told me, “since your books are now in every room in my house I told my wife, maybe I’d better read it.” We had a good laugh. He wondered if I orchestrated sending the five books. I assured him I didn’t, and signed that one to him only at someone’s request. (That’s Shelly, who he talks about at the end of the column).

As much as I disagree with his worldview, I found Joel to be sharp, engaging and witty; the kind of person I’d enjoy having lunch with. (I might enjoy it more than he would.) I was friendly and unapologetic about my beliefs, and he was professional and considerate.

Joel said he’d read about eighty pages of the book and planned to read more. (Interesting that he doesn’t mention in the column how much he actually read.) If I were skeptical, I could think he was searching the book for judgmental, condemning and narrow statements. But apparently not, since if that were his goal he could have had a heyday with the fact that I believe what Scripture says about Hell being our default destination, and that we need to put our trust in Jesus as the only Way to salvation. I was grateful his reading included so much Scripture presenting the gospel, which I deliberately put early in the book for those who wouldn’t finish.

Sure, the column contains minor inaccuracies and misquotes. I didn't suggest I thought the present heaven was boring; to die and be with Christ is "better by far," and I can't imagine boredom in his presence, even prior to the resurrection. But he correctly quoted me that "by our present standards" the present heaven doesn't sound exciting to us.
I never said the Christians who showed me Joel's Starbucks’ cup were “outraged.” They weren’t. (Well, okay, one was, but I didn’t say that.) Most just wondered why Starbucks would feel obliged to send a negative message about Heaven. But their beef was with Starbucks, not Stein. I told them that though his picture of heaven was wrong, he was reciting the view we as Christians have helped foster, and done little to correct, even in our churches.

Stein writes, “When Alcorn pointed out that I could have conversations with Socrates and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in intermediate heaven, I was pretty sure that I’d get, at best, a book signing from those guys.”

Socrates and King never came up in our conversation, nor are they mentioned in the Heaven book, though I do speak of meeting many others. I think King, though flawed, was a true believer. I don’t assume that Socrates will be in Heaven, though God could certainly have done a work of grace in his life we know nothing about. I think we’ll be surprised at who we see there, not to mention the surprise others will have in seeing us.

“In the heaven in Alcorn’s book, he imagines we’ll be riding on the backs of brontosauruses and throwing baseballs with Andy Pettitte. This does not sound like it will be heaven for brontosauruses or Andy Pettitte.”

That was funny. Of course, I didn’t put it quite that way in the book. The context emphasizes Scripture’s promise, including in Romans 8, that God doesn’t give up on his new creation but redeems it. I didn’t say “we will be riding....” but said it’s possible we could, given the biblical teaching on the physical nature of the resurrection body and the New Earth, and peace between people and animals, and God’s promise to restore original creation rather than abandon it. Of extinct animals, I said, “Unless God made a mistake when he created them—and clearly he ­didn’t—why ­wouldn’t he include them when he makes ‘everything new?’”

Anyone reading those words, without a biblical framework to understand them, will think I’m crazy, which might have been Joel’s point. But in their original context, I stand by them. And let’s face it, as Christians we too are quick to find and use the silliest-sounding statements of an atheist or a cultist or fellow Christian with whom we disagree theologically or politically, sometimes taking them out of context. I’ve done it and I’ll bet you have.

Joel Stein didn’t go for the jugular. He even mentions by name four of my books on Heaven. I wonder if as a result a few dozen or a few hundred books will get into people’s hands and hearts. And one day some people may have Stein's column to thank for introducing them to Jesus and the biblical Heaven.

The hero of this story is Shelly Migliaccio, who I only met last month. Joel said of Shelly, who sent him Heaven, “She used to go to Starbucks twice a week, but my quote made her so mad that she has boycotted it ever since.”

When she came by our EPM office with her friend Geneva Torland, a great sister from my home church, Shelly didn’t strike me as at all angry, but genuinely concerned for Joel. And to Joel’s credit he says “Yet she sent me a nice note and an autographed book.”
Sharon Misenhimer, our receptionist, and I both read Shelly’s note to Joel, and it was very gracious. In my inscription in the book I wished Joel the very best, as I did at the end of our conversation. Shelly sent him the signed book, and thanks to her loving action, Joel read many pages of Scripture about salvation in Christ, and about the biblical promise of Heaven for those who trust Him.

In one of his controversial 2007 columns, Stein told readers they were wasting their time by emailing him. He said, “I don’t want to talk to you; I want to talk at you. A column is not my attempt to engage in a conversation with you. I have more than enough people to converse with. And I don’t listen to them either.”

So you wouldn’t expect a sympathetic response to five Christians sending him the book and many others sending him letters. And yet…look at how he concludes his column. The key is the ending, because a writer always finishes with what he wants to leave most prominent in your mind. Here are Joel’s last two paragraphs:

“I was thinking it was sad that you looked at heaven that way. I wanted you to know about the heaven I know about and I look forward to go to,” she [Shelly] told me over the phone. “Life here on Earth can be so trying sometimes, and I just anticipate it.”

In Migliaccio’s heaven, the colors are more brilliant, we all have jobs we love, we are free of the lies and horrible stuff she sees on the news. And, at least for the little while we were on the phone, I believed in Migliaccio’s heaven too.

This is a remarkable sign-off for someone who started the column by saying “I don’t believe in Jesus” and “Jesus keeps letting me write columns about how I don’t believe in Jesus.”

Wouldn’t you expect Joel Stein, whose columns can be crass, cynical and extremely hostile to the Christian faith, would end this column differently? Notice he doesn’t just say for a little while he wanted to believe in Shelly’s view of heaven, but that he actually did. He may not realize it, but he saw Jesus in Shelly, and for a little while, believed, because cynicism melts in His presence.

Thanks to Joel, for showing restraint and a spiritual soft side in his column. Thanks to Shelly, and to the other four people (if you read this, please tell me who you are) who sent Heaven to Joel. Thanks for shining some light, and doing it with love and grace.

Joel Stein needs the Lord. So do I. So do you. So does everybody. With Christmas upon us, let’s pray that Christ would be Lord of our lives, that we would be filled with His Spirit, and with grace and truth. Let’s ask God to draw us—and Joel Stein also—to the foot of the cross.

And maybe someday, after the resurrection, when we’re enjoying God and each other on the New Earth, Joel and Shelly and I and Andy Pettitte, and maybe Jesus too, will reflect on this column as, wind blowing through our hair, we ride the back of a brontosaurus...to the glory of God.

Randy Alcorn
www.randyalcorn.blogspot.com
www.epm.org

Comments:

Terah said...

I don't get it . . .

A friend said...

Randy!
I read your article / interview about Christmas and now I see the difference between us -- or at least one difference. You are waiting for Christ to return to Rule this world. I am inviting Him to Rule right now. You await Transformation and the Resurrection of Jesus within you and through you after you physically die. I expect Him to abide within me and work through me in the full Power of the Resurrection because I have met Him at the Cross and died. I believe that Jesus abides within us, within our hearts, and that we bring Him to the people. I believe that His Kingdom is within us, if we are Christians, and that as we obey Him and abide in Him -- in His Perfect Will -- we bring it forth here on earth -- now.

"But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
Matthew 12:28

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Matthew 16:19

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."
Matthew 21:43

In Acts, did the people who preached the Good News not bring forth His Life, His Resurrection, His Kingdom Rule to the people who would listen? Did He not Rule over that which they placed under His Authority?

* * *

Regarding Heaven; I don't believe it is a place to be understood by our minds. I believe that it is when we think we understand it by our minds that we tend to get off. I don't understand why people would be offended by that quote on the Starbucks cup so much more than by your book. He is describing his view of Heaven to the best of his knowledge -- ignorant and insufficient as it is. You are describing Heaven to the best of your knowledge -- several degrees less ignorant and insufficient than him, though still so, if you compare the reality of Heaven to what you imagine. Neither of you do Heaven justice with your many thought-out words.
I don't see what the big deal is about meeting C.S. Lewis, or anybody famous, in Heaven. Whatever "greatness" they have or had here that they would retain there is not their own. Shouldn't we be focused on meeting the Source of all greatness? So what if that's not what some people want when they get to Heaven -- Jesus. Who are we to sell Heaven to people who don't want Him, anyway? You act like a real estate agent advertising "Something For Everybody!"

You ended your blog with this paragraph:
"And maybe someday, after the resurrection, when we’re enjoying God and each other on the New Earth, Joel and Shelly and I and Andy Pettitte, and maybe Jesus too, will reflect on this column as, wind blowing through our hair, we ride the back of a brontosaurus...to the glory of God."

I agree -- I don't get it.

Hasta luego, amigo


PS - Regarding the comments on the last blog entry:
"Your Kingdom come, Your Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven."
Matthew 6:10

Is not His Will Perfect in Heaven? Should it not be Perfect on earth, when Jesus told us to pray that it be done so?

* * *

And regarding your defense of yourself in your last blog entry:
"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:1-4

How does reminding us that you help the poor prove that you are not a hypocrite?

Terah said...

You offer Heaven to those not "sold on Jesus"
for surely if they don't care for Him
they will be welcome in the place
He has lovingly made for His own?

No. Heaven is not for sale
and it is not to be a "deal made"
outside of union with the King of Kings

Immediate Heaven, sub-heaven, ultra Heaven,
all "heaven-ese"
Really a language spoken by those
who attempt to understand a Realm
outside their mind's capacity, as is

Are we selling Heaven?
Would you still market Heaven if the only
thing there was Jesus?
How would you make it appealing to the masses?
You couldn't because, face it,
Heaven was made /created for those who love God

Really . . . once we get there
do you really think we will be looking about for famous people
or treasure
or trying to watch what people on earth are doing?
For the Bride
Heaven is simply and fully: JESUS
He is the full Treasure
the whole Reward

You can try to sell Heaven and Christianity for a cheap price
most christians do
but it only cheapens our Savior's price paid
to redeem us so that we may abide with Him now
and later, in Heaven

Don't sell Heaven, as if you are a used car salesman
The greatness of Heaven should never be the reason
that we ask Jesus Christ to be our Savior and Lord
Heaven is a benefit of our relationship
NOT - the purpose or goal

Take off your blinders
See Jesus Christ as He is
then you'd never, ever advertise Heaven as the goal
Jesus is the Goal

No, Joel does not look forward to spending time with Christians
and probably does not enjoy being quoted by them
His view of Heaven now or later
will not guarantee his salvation
nor his reading your books on Heaven
nor your exploitation of him on your blog

If you long for Joel's salvation
If you desire that he be granted citizenship in Zion
offer your life to God to stand in the gap for this man
doing whatever is necessary to alert this man
to his need for God and God's Faithfulness
to save / deliver / transform
Lay your life down to save his
He will come no other way

Don't sell Heaven
It's not a commodity
Only God can offer Joel a place in His Home
Only the Father can draw him
Only the Holy Spirit can convict him
You have nothing to sell
You own nothing

Why boycott Starbucks for presenting Heaven as Joel
erroneously spoke?
Most Christians present the Life of Jesus Christ
much more erroneously than Joel's glib statement
by the way they live

You have a cup with false advertisement
You have people walking about falsely advertising
What's the diff?

We were meant for MORE
We were meant to be a "Window to Heaven"
so that others could capture a glimpse and long / ache
to know the ONE who abides in such a place
www.resurrectionpower.com/page60.htm

I didn't get the reason for your blog in the beginning
Your whole focus
Your delight in Joel's column
His receiving and reading your books
Because as God says,

"Heaven is unmarked territory
Unmarked by the human intellect
Unmarked by man's ways, aspirations, failures, accomplishments
Heaven is Marked by only ONE
and never 'sold' outside of the concept
of the Love of God and the price paid to redeem fallen flesh

Speak of Heaven, if you must
but know that, as you do
man is removed even farther from Home

Jesus in your heart, is your hope of Glory
Heaven is fully the place where He abides
Don't cheapen a Creation which you have no true knowledge of
Don't advertise a place where you have never been
Don't mock those whose view is tainted

Simply and fully, your business is to:
lay your life down
lay your life down
lay your life down"

And He continues on this same theme:
www.resurrectionpower.com/page241.htm

These two pages (Day 2 & 32) of the 100 Day War for the Children
are released today to supplement this cause. The rest will be
released in God's perfect timing.

Terah

a friend said...

Amen, Terah
~
A short story to share:
His heart filled with hope and anticipation, the boy stood at the rise in the road, searching for the familiar glow of candle-light that always shone on nights like these from the windows of the old, stone church on the edge of town -- or so he had heard.
A swift wind, sweetly scented by fields of clover, began to blow, causing him to squint his eyes as he peered into the quiet blackness that lay ahead. A cluster of buildings spanned the horizon, a silhouette of jagged shapes against the starry sky, but there were no lights to draw him home, there was no cheery warmth from remembered times . . . nothing to aid him on his journey.
He sighed and continued, disappointed, yet always keeping his gaze on what lay ahead. Maybe it would look better if he got closer. Maybe it would turn out as they had said, after all. Maybe . . . just maybe . . .
His inner ponderings were interrupted by footsteps approaching. He looked hard into the darkness. He saw a man walking towards him at a brisk pace.
"Headed for town?" he asked.
"Of course," responded the boy. "It's not too far, is it?"
"No."
"Good."
"Do you know the way?" The man pointed off in the distance, to the right -- the west.
"Yeah"
The boy shrugged. He tried to keep walking, but the man stopped him. "Wait," he called.
"What?" The boy turned to look at this strange man. He was wearing brightly colored clothes and he held something old and tarnished in his hand -- something that looked like a large key.
"Why are you going there?"
"I have treasure there."
"You won't find it unless you have this. Here." He held out the key for the boy to take.
"Why?" The boy scowled. This didn't make any sense. Didn't he have everything he needed?
"Why? Well, it opens the gate, of course! It unlocks the treasure! How did you expect to enter the town?"
"I have friends there."
The man frowned. "They can't let you in. You need a key to get into the town."
"I don't believe you." The boy stomped his foot, anxious to be on his way. "Isn't there a Gatekeeper?"
"Well, yes. But he follows order from the Ruler. He doesn't let anyone one in without a key."
"That can't be true. Your lying."
The man shook his head.
"I'm not going there to see the Ruler anyway. Just the people. What would he care?"
A sad look came over the man's eyes. "Why don't you want to meet the Ruler?"
"I heard he owns the town -- rules it. That's all. Don't know him. Don't care to."
The man looked away. "I'm sorry bother you then. I see how you feel."
It was almost a whisper, almost a sigh, but the boy heard something quite surprising, clear as day, as the man turned to leave. "If you don't take the key, you may end up some place unexpected. The key holds the map, my friend."
Had the man just said that? The boy almost couldn't believe his ears. No one had told him he'd have to have an old, heavy, brass key to open the gate -- to enter the town. No one had told him there was a map to show the way or that his treasure was locked up. How could this man possibly know all that? It couldn't be true. He had EARNED his treasure. He had earned it with sweat and with tears. Wasn't that "key" enough to unlock it? Maybe he would see this Ruler after all. Surely he would understand. Surely he would unlock the treasure once he had seen how hard, and how much, this boy had worked. Surely . . . but then his thoughts died at once at the sight of the city he approached. Had there been a war? There must have been. The buildings were crumbled and the windows were blackened with soot.
He knew this was the wrong place.
"How could I have gotten so lost? It doesn't make sense. I knew the way -- they told me the way. This city. This horrid place of wreckage and ruins and fire-burnt land. How did I end up here? The key! If only had the key . . . "
But then he paused and his shoulders sagged.
"What am I saying? I don't need a key. There is no treasure here."

scottcrocker said...

Great post, Randy. Thanks for sharing this.

Sean Sims said...

Hello Randy,
Thank you for your insights and for another thoroughly enjoyable blog. Let us all hope that Mr. Stein is taking steps down a road that we all try to travel on every day.

For everyone else, I love each and every one of you, but, can we ease up a little bit. Randy tries to just convey his thoughts and feelings. He has never claimed to be anymore or less then all of us. Each and every one a broken vessel (or at least I hope a broken vessel) before our Lord and Savior. None of us are capable of understanding all that the Lord has in mind for us or the pearls that were thrown before us in His Word. That is the point, each of us has free will because of the love that God has for us. He doesn't want us to be His puppets but children that He can love and cherish and bring along to maturity as long as we make that first crucial decision to follow Him.
None of us are going to get everything right even after we join Him in the Kingdom He has prepared for us. We have this Home to look forward to no matter how much we try to bring about the Kingdom here on Earth. And there are images of that Kingdom from moment to moment in the world around us. Not so much from the words we speak, but the actions taken out of love for our King.

We are all Brothers and Sisters trying to help each other along and encourage each other.

Thank you for inspiring my next blog everyone. Check it out if you feel up to it @ http://seansdailythoughts.blogspot.com/

I love you all first and foremost, Merry Christmas. And Randy thank you for insights and the great reading!

Love,
Your Brother in Christ,
Sean

Anonymous said...

Wow. These posts are really taking on biblical proportions. Terrah, I hope you don't take this prophet path too far...the pretentious, over-abundant diatribes are enough: I just hope you don't "hear" God tell you to start preaching naked like the great ones past.

Shane Vander Hart said...

Great post, and I'm glad you had the opportunity to be a witness for Christ in a bold and winsome way.

AmyC in Oregon said...

Randy,

This post reminds me of one of the things I so appreciate about you: the winsome way you rub shoulders with the world. It's so fun to hear about the opportunities the Lord gives you. Thank you for being faithful to the One who gives you such an amazing platform.

Hope you and Nancy (and Moses :0) have a wonderful Christmas!

~Amy

Anonymous said...

I couldn't help but cry when I read his article. Not just because Joel Stein is lost, but heaven is just too precious to be joked about. I wrote him an email and I will be praying for him and others that might seek because of his article. Here is the email I sent him - a paltry offering, but from the heart:

Joel,
I read your article "A Little Bit of Heaven on Earth". It actually made me sad. Not sad for me, but sad for you. The main thing that keeps me able to get out of bed every morning is my belief that heaven is real because our son is there. He was a few months shy of his fifteenth birthday when he died just over a year ago.

These are the verses that are on his memorial plaque:

I Peter 1:3-5 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His boundless mercy we have been born again to an ever-living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Born anew into an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay, imperishable, unsullied and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, Who are being guarded by God's power through your faith till you fully inherit that final salvation that is ready to be revealed for you in the last time.

The reason that I know my son is there is because I believe those verses. I believe that God created the world and that He created us with a free will - the ability to choose to do good or evil. You know what we chose. However, He always knew we would choose sin and so He provided a way for us to be reconciled to Him - someone Who would pay the price that our sin demanded by giving His life - that was Jesus Christ. As it says in the verses, he didn't just die, He conquered death. Because of His resurrection I know that my son, myself, my husband - those who put their faith and trust in Him - will also be resurrected into eternal life. Death is not the end.

Those verses and my faith are more complicated than I have explained. If you seek, you will find the truth. God is faithful to give the truth to those who seek it, but you must look in the right place. I guess I lied when I said I wasn't sad for me. I still really miss my son. I still want to celebrate Christmas with him. I want to hear him pounding down the stairs when I call his name. Now you know why I can't make jokes about heaven. It is too precious to me.

You will be in my prayers. Lori S.

p.s. Randy, Thank you for sending a signed copy of your book to us at the request of a friend of ours who had you as a professor. The book has been a comfort to my husband and I.

Terah said...

been there . done that . video to be released soon

Actually, in all fairness to the readers of the blog, I would like to explain that when God does begin to speak to a person and gives them direct commands, He has a sure purpose. Ezekiel 2 and 3 explains pretty clearly a prophet's stance and responsibility. In other words, if I do not speak or write the words I have been given, then I am responsible for the people continuing in their sin, apostasy, etc. I haven't always been this way, but I was surely called and I would rather hear God's Voice as I do, then have anything else. In fact, there's proof, because I did lose everything by speaking and writing God's words to the people. The "prophet thing" is taken as far as God deems, and yes, God, has on occasion, had me read the Scriptures where Isaiah had to go naked in the streets, when I complain about the symbolism which I am told to do. But, clearly, He is calling for redemption unto a closer walk with Him, and if I did as Isaiah did, it would in fact, bring tremendous horror and possibly fear. Don't judge a prophet until you have had to speak God's words, yes, exactly as He says them and it alienates you from everyone. The words are true. They are just not what people want to hear. The work that Randy has to do far exceeds what he is doing now and God is calling him to a higher level of consecration, leaving behind the renderings of the mind, to perfectly follow God wholeheartedly and lay his life down to bring forth something truly extraordinary. Randy has the choice. Each person has the choice. I have to write to tell people that God wants them out of their comfort zone and in front of His Face to find out exactly how they can please Him from this point on.
So, look for the video . . . but never believe that you are off-limits to God calling you to speak and write HIs exact words. It could happen to you.
Terah

Anonymous said...

Randy, perhaps I am oversensitive but I feel a bit uneasy about you disclosing so much from a private conversation.

Kerimae said...

Hello there

I just wanted to say YEA for this! I am so glad so many people cared enough about this columnist to send him a book that would engage him and make him think about things. I am not sure he would have even looked at it if he had only gotten one.

I am so glad you didn't quibble with this author, but took the time to see him as a person, to admire and appreciate his talents, and to in essence INVITE him to seek further into a faith that gives such peace and hope. I really hope that when he finishes your book, you can both meet for a coffee at Starbucks and come to share in the wonder of how God works in the lives of individuals.

Thank you again for sharing this, and Merry Christmas.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the point of you posting this blog entry. Are you trying to prove something to the readers? To Joel? Do you think that it will help Joel to become a Christian to read that you have spread word of your assumptions about him to everyone on the world wide web? Do you think it proves to your critics that you are a good witness? What is the point?
I think it's exploitive. I think it honors you (and Shelly), not God. Isn't it wrong to honor ourselves, as Christians? Isn't it taking honor from God that He deserves to receive?
Please explain to us, your readers and fans, why it was so important to you that we read Joel's column and what your point was with your bragging on your blog. I think some of us are a little confused about your priorities.

Shelvin said...

Randy,
Question for you :
If a friend of mine wants to go to heaven, but believes it is OK to live, as you called it, by "cheap grace," what will happen to them?
And personally, what if someone does a lot of things for others (you know, is really giving), but they never really spend personal time with God ... will they still receive a lot of rewards and treasure in heaven when they get there? "a friend" seems to say with their story that the treasure will be locked up for people like that and that people like that might go off the right path and end up in hell. What do you believe? And do you think that people who go to heaven for reasons other than Jesus (like treasure, friends, family) end up not enjoying their "treasure", their "rewards" because the best part of it (of heaven) is supposed to be God? It seems like that is what some people on here are saying. How can Christians be so different and believe so differently? How do I know the truth?

Ashley Weis said...

Wow. These comments... just wow.

People really seem to jump on Randy's back, huh?

And for all of the comments about being a hypocrite, defending himself, and yadda yadda, what do you think you are defending by forcing your opinion on someone without knowing their heart? It's not Christ.

If we truly feel that our brothers and sisters in Christ are doing something wretched in the eyes of God, aren't we to rebuke them in LOVE? Not in an opinionated, frustrated, annoyed way?

Not to mention, who are we to judge Randy's heart? How do we know WHY he wrote something.

People do this to me all the time, and I'm just a nobody. I write from my heart on my blog. If I am feeling insecure, I let it flow into my words. And then people send me very discouraging e-mails they believe to be encouraging.

Why do people care so much anyway?

Let Randy be Randy. To those reading his post in love, through Christ's eyes, there is no judgemental spirit that condemns him for being defensive and hypocritical. There is love. In Christ. Period.

Ashley Weis said...

One more thing. Don't you think Randy is defending Christ, not himself?

I mean, he is a writer that displays the truth of God in his words. His words are a testimony.

When taken out of context and distorted, his words can be misunderstood. Leading someone to believe something that is NOT true of Christ.

So, don't you think it's kind of important for him to set the record straight? To show people the TRUTH when someone distorts it?

I think so.

Kenneth Purdom said...

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Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their hard work. 10 For if one of them should fall, the other one can raise his partner up. But how will it be with just the one who falls when there is not another to raise him up? - Ecclesiastes 4:9,10

Marla Taviano said...

Yikes.

I'm with Ashley.

Thanks for sharing that, Randy. When I get criticized, I usually crawl in a hole. Then I eventually recognize Satan's schemes, crawl back out, and go back to following God's calling on my life.

I'll be praying for you. This can't be easy. And I hope you can overlook the hurtful stuff and see God's handprints all over your life.

You love Christ wholeheartedly and desire nothing more than to serve Him with your life. And it shows.

a friend said...

A lot of people don't understand the Love of God through His people. A lot of the people who were around when Jesus walked this earth didn't understand His Love. They didn't think He Loved them at all. They called Him evil. They felt this way because He spoke the Truth and they were not seekers of the Truth.
Read John, Matthew, Mark and Luke. How many times did Jesus say, "I tell you the Truth..." Why did He speak the Truth to people? They hated Him for it and many wanted to kill Him -- even His chosen people -- the apple of His Eye -- the Jews. Why couldn't He "just be nice"? Isn't that what the Pharisees, the hypocrites, would have wanted? Isn't that what you are asking me to do?
I can't be quiet when I read a lie. Jesus is within me and He is Truth and I can't quiet Him.
Read the Bible. Really! Underline every time it says "Truth" in the Gospels. Ask yourself, "Why did Jesus speak the Truth?"
In my heart I know. He spoke the Truth because He Loved us. And I know that is why He speaks the Truth through me. He Loves you.

PS - Ashley Weis, read the words of the prophets in the Bible and the Words of Jesus to the religious leaders of His day -- respond when you have found God's Love through them. I want to hear what you have to say then. And if you still disagree with me, I want to hear verses to back up your condemnation of me, and Terah, speaking Truth. Deal? I promise to listen and to ask to know God's Heart about your words (even though you haven't seemed to really listen, with God's Heart, to a word I've written).
* * *
On the subject of rewards . . . this is how I see it:

If we seek happiness, what do we usually find?
Disappointment.
If we seek God, what do we always find?
Joy -- something far beyond happiness.

When we seek riches, what happens?
We never have enough.
When we seek God, what happens?
We become rich in Him. A different kind of rich, you know -- fully satisfying and beyond anything this world or its wealth can offer.

If our heart is set on treasure, I believe, it will always elude us.
If our heart is set on God, I believe, we will find TREASURE.

Read the lyrics of this hymn:

When I survey the wondrous Cross
On which the Prince of Glory died
My richest gain I count but loss
and pour contempt on all my pride

See from His Head, His Hands, His Feet
Sorrow and Love flow mingled down
Did e'er such Love and Sorrow meet
or thorns compose so rich a crown?

Were the whole realm of nature mine
That were a present far too small
Love so amazing, so Divine
Demands my soul, my life, my all

- When I Survey the Wondrous Cross

I believe that Heaven is a wonderful place, as Randy does, but I believe that those who fail to see God -- His Love -- as the most wonderful part about it, will miss out on its greatest Joy. I also believe that those who seek Heaven, but not God, will be easily led astray and may end up, as the story said, "someplace unexpected," because their hearts will have no Love of His pouring out from theirs to keep them true to Him and to cause them to bear the Cross and still seek Him. Only love for Him will cause us to bear the Cross and devote our lives to Him, to truly seek Him, fully give ourselves to Him, and to really know Him -- His Heart -- as He longs for us to (Read Philippians 3:10 about a deeper fellowship with Him).
All the riches and beauties of Heaven and earth combined cannot compare with knowing the Heart of the King of kings.
That is my Treasure.

* * *
We are to approach God with a broken and contrite heart, as the Psalmist did in Psalm 51, but once we know Him and are right with Him don't you believe that He will restore us? Once we are walking with Him we should definitely NOT be broken from sin -- if we are, then we are relying on the "cheap grace" ideal and are not walking close enough to Him, and instead of seeking Him and healing through cleansing when we are confronted with the reality of our sin, when He allows us to be broken, we claim that brokenness is a holy thing and use that lie as an excuse to continue in our sin.
Read Song of Songs. The Bride, in the beginning, comes to the King as broken -- blemished, darkened from the sun, feeling shameful, etc., but later on it shows that He has healed her, caused her to show forth His Beauty, and she then shares in His Glory. If we seek Him as His Bride does we will not remain broken.
* * *
Last words:

"If I could condense all the truths of Christmas into only three words, these would be the words: 'God with us.' We tend to focus our attention at Christmas on the infancy of Christ. The greater truth of the holiday is His deity. More astonishing than the baby in the manger is the truth that this promised baby is the omnipotent Creator of the heavens and the earth."

— John F. MacArthur, Jr. (Quoted from the front page of epm.org)

I don't get the last part. Randy, could you please explain what you intended by this, because it really bothers me.
(see? I ask, "What kind of heart is this coming from and what is intended by it?)

How can the Truth that the baby Jesus is the God of the Heavens be more "astonishing" than the God of the Heavens?
In the Bible Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life..."
He is the Life AND the Truth -- the two cannot be separated or compared.
What did you mean? What did MacArthur mean?
It seems to me that a lot of times, people just try to sound inteligent or quoteable, rather than simply speaking Truth from the Father as Jesus did. That is how this quote comes across to me SINCE it is not Truth. What do you think? Why did you like it? Why did you choose it for your website this Christmas?

I would like to learn, and I would like for you to learn, but only what is Truth. Same when we write. As Christians, don't we both only want to learn and write what is Truth? Otherwise, coming from Christians (especially one in your position -- as someone said, "with a platform to speak") words and lessons can greatly decieve and persuade people wrongly.

I am doing what I do out of love for God -- Truth -- first, but secondly, out of Love for you. I hope you have the same Love of Christ towards me so that if I ever spoke a lie you would find me and shoot me (actually, just tell me the Truth, and if I failed to listen, reveal the Truth to those I had deceived, if they would be willing to listen as I had not). I pray that you would.

This is my response to the quote:

What Child is this who laid to rest
On Mary's lap is sleeping
Whom angels greet with anthems sweet
While shepherds watch are keeping

This, this is Christ the King
Whom shepherds guard and angels sing
Haste, haste to bring Him laud
The Babe, the Son of Mary

Why lies He in such mean estate
Where ox and ass are feeding
Good Christian, fear for sinners here
The silent Word is pleading

So bring Him incense, gold and myrrh
Come peasant, king to own Him
The King of kings salvation brings
Let loving hearts enthrone Him

Raise, raise the song on high
The virgin sings her lullaby
Joy, joy for Christ is born
The Babe, the Son of Mary

- What Child is This

shellymig said...

I am the one who sent Joel the book and I had a very nice conversation with him. He was very kind to me and he seemed genuinely touched that although I disagreed with him wholeheartedly, I reached out to him in kindness. He couldn't understand why a perfect stranger would care enough about him to send him this book, let alone five different people. The difference is that I spoke to him with love in my heart and concern for him. Some of these posts on here are just attacking Randy. If you disagree with him, coming at him in anger isn't going to make him see your point. I believe that I was able to get Joel to "somewhat" pay attention to what I was saying because I spoke to him, not at him.

As for why I won't go to Starbucks anymore, I just don't want to give them any of my money. It won't make a bit of difference to them, I know that, but sometimes in life, you need to take a stand for what you believe in life. This country has gone crazy for political correctness and I can live with that but what about being sensitive to the feelings of believers. I can't imagine that Starbucks has any cups making glib comments about muslims or gays or fat people or illegal aliens. Why would they think it is ok to have cups that insult the intelligence of believers of Jesus Christ. That is how I felt when I read that cup, insulted.

Chuck said...

Hi Randy,

I really enjoyed this blog entry (and your book Heaven, which reoriented my thoughts about the new heaven and earth). Wishing you, Nanci and your family a merry and blessed Christmas!

Chuck Noren
chuck.noren@gmail.com

Robin said...

Thank you for sharing and inspiring others to share God's love.

Merry Christmas!

missue said...

Hi Randy,

Keep up the good work with your books and your blog. I hope Mr. Stein finishes reading your book HEAVEN and I hope Terah reads it. If she did, I don't think she could say you were trying to sell Heaven as a piece of real estate.

You have used scripture to support your concepts of Heaven. You have opened my eyes about the reality of Heaven, that it is a real place, a place to look forward to. I don't think of it as boring but exciting, a place where I will be able to grow mentally and spiritually forever. God has no limits to His kingdom.

I am thankful for all the information in HEAVEN and I look forward to reading your other books.

May God continue to bless your work,

missue

a friend said...

My response to Ashley in my last comment is all I have to say to anyone on here who has anything against me -- or who has come down on me for what was written or the way it was written.
- - -
Why did God create us?
Wasn't it enough to just create nature, Earth, Heaven, angels ... wasn't it enough to create something beautiful and wonderful that He could enjoy?
Why did He create people?
Why did He create us?

I think He created us because He wanted someone to Love and someone who would Love Him -- He longed for His Bride.

When a man who is truly in love is to become married, does he think, "Wow, I can't wait to live in that beautiful house with my bride!" or does he think, "Wow, I can't wait to live with my beautiful bride and every day tell her and show her how much I love her!"

Consider this:
If you were the man and you had the later attitude, would you hope for your bride to look forward to the beautiful house you would provide for her, the many friends who would visit her there, and the many treasures you would surprise her with or would you hope that your bride would feel the same as you -- that she would truly look forward to living with you, loving you, talking with you, and just spending time with you to simply get to know you in a deeper way?

I want to be God's Bride.

He gave His Life for me on the Cross.
His Heart was broken. His Blood was shed. His Hands and His Feet were pierced and He wore a crown of sharp thorns on His Head. He was mocked. He was beaten. He was spit upon. He was hated. He was rejected. He was crucified.
... for me.

I want to be His Bride.
I want to be so filled with His Love that it overflows and returns to Him to the measure He desires to be Loved. I want His Heart to consume my own. I want the mind of Christ.
I want to fellowship with Him in His sufferings. I want to know Him -- His pain, His joy, His Love, His anger. I want to bear it all too.
I want to be His Bride -- to await only Him.
I want to long for Him as He longs for me.

When I get to Heaven, if treasure is stored up, I want to give it to Him.
When I get to Heaven, I want to give Him Love.
When I get to Heaven, I need only to know His Love.

I don't need to read a book about Heaven, and neither does Terah
( you can tell by reading this: http://www.resurrectionpower.com/page147.htm )
We know all we need to know about it ... God will be there.

Thomas Paine said...

I am a travel agent working for a leading company, but I don't see how Randy's book on Heaven would make anyone really want to go there. It sounds like make believe and I don't think you Christians take your faith seriously enough. You seem afraid of your own shadow and upset over petty things like Starbucks knocking your view of Heaven. If you were more secure in your beliefs you wouldn't have to identify your nuiances, but would instead promote powerfully your position. Face it, there are lots of religions to choose from and yours has seemingly the fewest advantages. The way Heaven is put forth seems so unreal, and even though you (Shelley) say that it is backed up in your Bible, it really isn't to the degree that the author takes it. I am offended by people like you, Randy and Shelley who really believe that if you are nice to the "lost" (not the TV series) that we will bow down and believe what you believe. Some of the nicest people I know are gay and you hate gays. Should I become gay because they are so kind and accepting of me? Think about what you are telling people. You really make it seem that the people who are "lost" are as simple minded as you are and most of us aren't. Sure, you open your heart and send a book. That's going to convince a man like Joel Stein that he should follow your religion? Your naivety is astounding matched only by your lack of confidentiality. You share very personal conversations with other people on this blog and never consider that they are people who may read these blogs and believe that you are just going after notches in your religious belt. I will never believe as you do and I will go to Starbucks and drink my drinks knowing that their paper cups may say something that I disagree with, but I'd rather drink coffee at Starbucks then be phony religious people who have to make up a place to go after death because they don't really believe that their God is real.
Just call me Thomas

Anonymous said...

Who is terah and why is she promoting her website? I, too, don't like the article this session, but it is Mr. Alcorn's blog and he can write whatever he wants and us readers can read or not read, as he said. If I was this Terah person and even "friend" I would look for a different group of people to write to about your beliefs. You're not really getting through and you're not welcome here. Hasn't that become obvious! We need to keep this response forum for people that believe all that Randy writes and can only encourage him in his work. We are not worthy to write what he writes and we can only stand by him and support him. We're with you Randy, all the way to Heaven.
And what was the one about "safe sex"? That's inappropriate, too. Someone should really screen these comments before they go out to the whole world. My opinion, but I think I'm right.

Anonymous said...

I'm sick and tired of all these stupid people on here who are so "glued to their opinions" like wise Asshley said. Why do they all have to be so angry too?? I hate it. It makes me want to spit!!!!
Why can't we all just get along? Why cant all these stupid idiots treat all of us with love?
Quit wrecking the peace here, DUDES!!
I love everybody and I hate you people who make me feel unwelcome here! Why can't you just be like me? Like Shelly? Like Randy? Don't you get it? That's all us Christians have to do and then we get to go to heaven where it is magical and pretty like narnia. Just be nice, you idiots!
Love,
Shelby Millikan

emailmerandy@hotmaill.com

my name is lulu said...

www.usairnet.com/skydiving/lessons/

Randy,
Thought this might be fun for you and your family. They have groups for only Christians, so if something happens they end up going to heaven at the same time.
Feel the wind in your hair and pretend a brotosaurus is beneath you leading the way back to earth,
love you and your blog,
you're my hero,
because you vote for Huckabee,
Lulu Bond

OH yeah ---- do you think that the word verification keys us into the FBI's global tracking system? My code is jbtonjb for today. I've never done this intranet thing before but we'll just see what happens.

New E-mail FINDMEATMYTYPEWRITER@live.com

Terah said...

Randy,
Your blogspot has gotten a little strange since I read last. I do believe that part of one posting was correct; not everyone is welcome here. That's OK. I write what I have to write, and then when it's time to go, everything has been said that God ordains. I wish you the best, Randy, but not what our eyes, hearts can perceive or imagine, but the Perfect Will of the Father for you. I realize very clearly that the writings I offer, and those of "friend," my daughter, are different than what you normally receive, but our job is to challenge the Bride - to cause her to grow to be all that God desires. For those who would prefer to remain servants, or friends of God, our promptings seem outrageous. I believe your readers have decided where they want to stay and I won't write again. One last page to read, if you can bear ---- www.resurrectionpower.com/page177.htm I'm looking for those who will be true Revolutionaries in these last days and when presented with the Truth, as was presented in the Gospels, that they won't walk away, undesiring, or call it evil, blaspheming, but choose to ask God to so infuse them with Himself that their only desire is to please Him perfectly. Thanks for your time,
Terah
PS - There will be no video - it was a joke

Susie Moony said...

Hi,
I have a question for you that was not answered in your book "Heaven".
My pastor says that we will not have hair in heaven. Is that true? You said "Wind blowing through our hair"......does that mean you believe in hair being in heaven?
I want to have heaven but I am scared that I won't. What if I wont and then I don't want to go there anymore? Will I go to hell? I don't want to go to hell.
I've always actually wanted red hair. The kind that is not really red, but that people call red. I don't know why they call it red. If they don't in heaven then I asked for orange hair too just in case. I hope I don't get both. but I am afraid.....
my pastor says that there won't be any minoritys in heaven. is that true?
Your book wasnt exactly clear on all of this.
And if I do have hair in heaven will it be perfect or will it get tangled? Because I cry sometimes when it gets tangled real bad. That would be tough. I also got gum in my hair once. oh, but I guess you don't have to hear that. I'll just send you my autobiography when it comes out and then you can pay to read about it. or maybe I could write a blog. WOW. cool. Well, ok..... bye, randy.
pss- who pays you to do these blogs? They're really good and educational.Kind of like my homeschooling though. I taught myself. My mom said that I couldn't learn but I showed her huuh?
Pss2- (not the gaming consol) tell shelly that she is my role model and I was wondering if she would send me an autographed book? or maybe 5? I thought it would help me make friends...... I have 3 but I want 5. I think if I gave a book to someone then they would be my friend even all the way to heaven. wouldn't that be neat? ask her please. Thanks thanks thanks!!
Susie M.

Becky said...

Randy,
I have taken a look at some of the comments regarding your blog and I would just like to say that I am enjoying reading your book HEAVEN very much. I am a part of a bible study group that meets on Monday nights and we have started the study at first I was not very sure about the study but since I purchased the book and have been reading it along with the study and find it more and more encouraging and the fact that it is scriptural based is awesome. Thank you for your research and hard work to help some of us see heaven a little better than we have before.

Becky
Attalla, AL

PS. GO SHELLY.

MC Anthony said...

Terah,
I looked through your website, and read about your adventures and letters to President Bush. From what I've seen I'm beginning to believe that you truly are a prophet of God. God tells us through His Word to beware of false prophets, though. Can you prove that you truly are a prophet? I want to do God's will. I seek the Truth.

Tammy Bowers said...

I am a little hesitant to post anything here, because God wants us to withdraw from arguments. I greatly admire Randy for not jumping in here to defend himself.

1 Tim 6:3-5 “If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.”

I found Randy’s post this week very interesting, and think it is very cool that Joel didn’t blast him. That is actually unusual, as it seems like the world hates us more and more as we grow closer to Jesus. We’ll never get a long with the world. We aren’t meant to. But God does want us to be at peace with our brothers and sisters in Christ.

1 Thes. 5:12-13 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

All I really want to say is that personally love Randy Alcorn’s book. The ‘Treasure Principal’ has been life changing for me, which will bring about a changed eternity for me. For that I will forever be grateful to Mr. Alcorn! Also, ‘Heaven’ has brought me great comfort in mourning, as well as an eye opener to a lot of scriptures that I had not deeply studied before. It has also sparked engaging conversations with Christ. Such as what is “better by far” than snorkeling in the Caribbean, or the midnight buffet on a cruise ship? Just silly little things that are fun to ponder with my Lord as I drive down the road. Nothing wrong with that.

Peace out.

a friend said...

xoTerah said this had gotten weird since I wrote on here. Big thanks to Randy for enabling the comment moderation.
I told Terah what you said, "mc anthony," and she was as surprised by your post as I was, but still, said that she has promised not to write so she cannot. Do you mind if I answer?
If you want to know what is Truth and truly seek God's Will, as you said, then simply ask Him to show you on His Terms (His way and in His timing) in a way that you can't mistake it.
Terah can't defend or prove herself and neither can I. Even if we could it wouldn't matter. We're just humans. Only what God backs up can be taken as Truth and proven true. Only He can prove it to be true.
Also, as a sort of warning . . . if you do ask God to reveal the Truth or His Will to you (as, of course, we all should) be ready to obey. Many people do not hear His Voice or know what He wants for them because if they did they wouldn't obey and would then be severely punished for knowingly disobeying Him. It is one thing to not do His Will out of ignorance, but once we seek His Will and Truth, and know it, if we still disobey . . . it's not pretty.
So, do seek Him. Seek Him with all you heart, soul and mind -- surrendering all to Him when you've found Him. But be ready when He speaks clearly to you. Be ready to listen and obey. Ask Him to make you ready and to help you to.

Thanks again, Randy. Hope your Christmas holiday brought you and your family great joy and into a closer walk with God in every way.
Terah and I pray that you and your family know God's Presence, His Love and His Will for your lives in new and great ways this coming year.

Shalom

george weis said...

Hello to each of you!

Humility. This is something each one of us professing Christians must seek out. Many have jumped at the opportunity to critically pick at Randy. Others have shouted back. Still, a few have used very long entries to try to make a point. Most of us including myself, are guilty of pride. I fear for us as brothers and sisters In Christ. Indeed, we are to seek out love. If love drove these criticisms (which love never drives criticall thinking) then I do believe that there would have been simple questions posed... not long columns of words beating Randy's doors down. Also, if love was the pure motive in the retorts, would they also have been so very harsh? I believe we need to step back and regroup for the sake of our Lords good name. If there is a question, then ask without a burning in your heart. If there is a response, let us discuss these things in love. Again, from someone who struggles with pride and lack of humility, I urge all of us to seek his love and humility.

God Bless each one of you, even those who have mocked Christ... may your days be blessed.

-george-

P.S. even this response was too long winded.

shonceman said...

Terah's not writing anymore, but maybe "friend" could pass along a question or two for me. When someone else moves in the prophetic, as you believe you do, and that person brings you a word of adjustment from the Lord, do you consider that word or do you believe they're wrong since the Lord didn't say it to you personally? Do you submit your prophecy to any spiritual authority? Do you comb the scriptures before publishing a prophecy to be sure it's accurate?
I'm bringing these things up because I detect a fair amount of arrogance coming through these posts of yours. This is typical of people who suffer from what Keith Green once called "the prophet syndrome".
Terah, a New Testament prophet always appeals to the grace of God (which brings both mercy for sin and enabling to resist temptation).
An Old Testament prophet appeals to the law, often with language that includes words like "judgement" or "wrath". Which are you?
I believe prophecy is a legitimate spiritual gift, but the legitimate prophets I've observed always have a healthy fear of the Lord when prophesying, therefore their communication is seasoned with humility and grace. This doesn't mean they don't say hard things sometimes, but when they do, they say it kindly ("speaking the truth in love" - Eph 4.15)
I've also noticed that most legitimate prophets don't need to make "thus saith the Lord" type comments for validation. They're known more by their exemplary actions than their words. For a great example of this kind of prophet, see Randy's previous posts on Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
Randy, I thought this post was particularly encouraging. We're never sure how our work affects others. But see how the Holy Spirit uses so many means (including author-signed books) to open someone's heart!
Happy New Year all!

Dionna said...

Randy - I love your blog. I need spiritual wisdom in my life like you provide.
What I love most about this article on Stein, starbucks, and your book is that it showed what a difference our actions and replies can make. I think so often we get mad at things we think are offensive or injust - when a much better reply would be to show love. I think change has the most chance to happen in these circumstances and with these attitudes.
I have gotten steamed myself a few times and this article has motivated me to try a different approach. One that my Heavenly Father had. Love. It doesn't mean that I'm saying those things are okay - only that I'm choosing to react in a more Godly manner.

Applied Christianity said...

This post made me see how Jesus is calling all men to himself. Here is a total atheist being introduced to the Gospel in a way that intrigues him. Thanks for the post.

eyesoftheheart said...

I found Randy's book on Heaven in the library the other day.I am enjoying it. I think the reason this blog is so popular is because we all long for "more" than this, and if this was all there was it really would be a dreary exsistence. You all are using the creative work of the Creator as you put your thoughts in this blog, and whether you believe in Him or not, He believes in you. I am grateful that the Master Artist has a place that He is working on for us and I am grateful you all were brought here to share what I believe is your longing mingled in with alot of words to know the truth.

Tinks said...

After reading your blog I must say...it makes me wonder why Starbucks would take it upon itself to send such a negative message to the world. Wow that was a run on sentence. But still, I raise the question..."Starbucks?....Why not send messages of joy? Why not leave joyful words in the minds of your customers?"
I think I will try a new little coffee shop around the corner. Perhaps I might find a more pure smiling face.....

virginia said...

Randy,
After a review of the comments to this post, I think most folks forget something, sometimes all we have to do is get a little more curious and research a topic - such as Heaven - a little more thoroughly and I have a feeling that's what you are after anyway! I also wanted to let you know that in addition to Heaven, I have your other books (Deadline, Dominion, & Deception) and I absolutely adore them. I also got my mom (non-Christian) finally reading them and she is really enjoying them. And, um, a little hint here, but isn't Manny going to be getting a story??
So thank you for your books - they are awesome. I just wished you had about 30 more books out there!
a sister in Christ...ginny

joe said...

I am personally of the opinion that "terah," "a friend," and "mc anthony," are all the same person -- with way too much time on their hands.

Great post, Randy.

Vicki said...

Thank you, Randy.

Anonymous said...

Ditto Ashley, thanks Randy!

And a word to the couple of people who posted really looooooooooooong posts--comments that are longer than the actual post they are supposed to be commenting on are counter productive. This just really isn't the place...