Many have asked me about John McCain’s position on abortion, and why I am voting for him. That’s what this blog is about. The issues aren’t easy, and I’m going to be responding to a number of comments and questions, so this will be long. If you’re up for it, get a cup of coffee and set aside fifteen minutes. Otherwise, see you next time! (But I do have some great pictures for you. And just think, the election will soon be over!)
I’ve gotten a tidal wave of comments from Obama and Chuck Baldwin supporters, so many that I’ve had to stop accepting some of these. Sorry, but you have your own blogs and don’t need to use mine; there’s plenty of lobbying for your candidate already posted in my blog comments. Interestingly, the Obama and Baldwin supporters have exactly the same message: Do not vote for John McCain!
(BTW, I also haven’t accepted all comments that agree with me; no offense intended with this either. Wish I had time to explain to everyone the reasons, but I don’t.)
I’ve also been angrily challenged as to why I don’t care about other needy and dying children, only the unborn. Actually, all the royalties from all of my books go to help the needy, including feeding and clothing and relieving the suffering of children all over the world. We give to prolife work, but far more to famine relief and development. By God’s grace, over four million dollars has been distributed for people-helping causes in the last number of years, much of it to children.
It’s curious that because I’m expressing concern about unborn children, people assume I don’t care about children who are already born. I do. But neither of the two major presidential candidates is advocating the legalized killing of already born children. However, one is advocating the legalized killing of unborn children. Since it is already illegal to kill the born, I’m talking about the rights and needs of the unborn.
Okay, now for McCain on abortion. Several people raised the issue of McCain allowing for abortions when the mother’s life is at stake. Like many adamant prolifers, including National Right to Life, I allow for the exception, rare as it is. The mother is a human being of equal value to the child. If only one life can be saved, physicians should save that life. More often than not, e.g. with massive uterine cancer in the earliest stages of pregnancy, that person is the mother. See my treatment of "What about a woman whose life is threatened by pregnancy or childbirth?"
I got an email from Angela, another young woman I greatly respect. (These young women ask the best questions). She said, “I truly appreciate your last blog on abortion and the presidential candidates. I guess I'm still having a problem voting for McCain. Unless I'm wrong, doesn't McCain support embryonic stem cell research and abortion in the case of rape or incest? I realize a vote for him could reduce the amount of abortions, obviously in comparison to Obama, but I think this is a quote from one of your other blogs, ‘voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.’ That's where my problem is. Do you have any thoughts on this?”
Here’s my position on abortion in the case of rape or incest. The bottom line is that children are children, and they shouldn’t be denied the right to live just because their fathers did something terrible to their mothers.
On stem cell research, here’s my friend Scott Klusendorf, who states it well. And although it’s too late to save the lives of aborted babies used in stem cell research, the fact remains it is morally repugnant.
So, yes, I fully concur with Angela’s concerns. To me these are the two most troubling things about John McCain, and I truly wish they were otherwise.
Like several commenters, Angela read my blog from a year ago, about why I would not vote for pro-abortion Rudy Giuliani if he won the Republican nomination. I just reread what I said then, and I still believe it. If John McCain had Giuliani’s position on abortion, I wouldn’t vote for him, for the same reason that I wouldn’t vote for a pro-slavery candidate even if he had better ideas about the economy than his opponent.
However, in an imperfect world I do think there’s a difference between being completely wrong about abortion, like Giuliani, and mostly right but partly wrong about abortion, like John McCain. Nanci and I have wrestled with this, and just as we agreed in the past to vote for a third party candidate, in this case we agreed, though reluctantly, to vote for McCain in light of the only electable alternative.
Let me try an analogy to show you why. Suppose in the town you live in, there’s a lake where, for the last thirty-five years, children have been taken by parents to be drowned. Say that every day 100 children are brought to this lake.
As a town citizen, you are presented with two candidates for mayor. (You can vote for a third party, but clearly one of these two candidates will be elected.) One candidate publicly states that he believes the right thing is that the children not be brought to that lake. They should be allowed to live, except the one or two conceived by rape. By longstanding town law the 100 daily drownings are all legal, and the mayor can’t change the law. However, this mayoral candidate has publicly stated that the law should be changed, and he hopes to appoint judges who help that happen, so that 98 or 99 of the 100 children would live rather than die.
Now, the deaths of those one or two children conceived by rape should rightly disturb you. And if until now zero children had been killed at the lake, it would be evil to vote for a man willing for one or two to be legally drowned. But for thirty-five years, 100 children have been killed there each day. This man is trying to move the town in the right direction, even though he has stopped just short of a 100% reversal. No additional children will be killed if his position were in place, because those one or two children would have been killed anyway under existing law. But 98 or 99 a day would be rescued from the death they will face if his position isn’t put in place.
The other mayoral candidate believes that not one of those 100 children chosen for drowning by their parents should be rescued. He believes that the doctors holding them under the water should be allowed to do this. He is prochoice about the drowning of children. In the last twenty years there have been some limited prolife measures voted in by townspeople that have made it more difficult to drown children, saving some lives. But this candidate has promised to sign a bill that would remove all those restrictions. He would invalidate the requirement that doctors explain to parents what it means to drown a child. He would invalidate the law that requires grandparents to be notified if their children are going to drown their grandchildren.
In fact, this man has said of his own daughters, “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” He would support their right to hire a doctor to drown their babies, his grandchildren, in the lake. And he promises the town’s legal drowning organization, which makes considerable money by drowning children, that he will only appoint town judges who are in favor of the legalized-child-drowning laws.
Now here is our moral dilemma. Our next mayor will either be the 98%-don’t-drown-the-children candidate OR the 100%-drown-all-children-whose-parents-don’t-want-them candidate.
We could write in someone who has no chance of winning. It would be a protest vote, showing we don’t totally agree with either candidate. However, if others who believe all babies deserve to live do this same thing, the result will be that the 98% prolife candidate can’t win, and the 0% prolife candidate will be our mayor.
If you vote for the candidate in favor of saving 98 babies, it could be argued that you would be voting for the lesser of evils, since killing one or two children is evil. But after all these years of child-killing, you see the opportunity—if the 98% prolife mayor takes office and makes those prolife court appointments, countless future children’s lives could be saved. It’s not certain, but it’s a real possibility. And what is certain is this: if the candidate in favor of legalized child-killing wins the election, due to his agreement to remove any of the town’s existing child-killing restrictions, more children will die who wouldn’t have if the other candidate takes office.
As we’ve pondered this, Nanci and I have decided, for better or worse, that what we’re voting for is not the lesser of evils—like voting for Giuliani would have been—but the greatest possible good available to us under the circumstances. The only electable alternative is the worst possible evil toward a people group—a 100% commitment to the legalized killing of unborn children whose parents don’t want them.
Rather than voting for McCain’s regrettable exceptions, we are voting for his predominantly prolife position, just as we are voting against Obama’s exclusively pro-legal-abortion position.
One of the commenters on my last blog said, “God didn't call us to win. He called us to do what is right.” Well, to me this has never been about us winning. I don’t even know who us is. To me, it’s certainly not about Republicans winning, or John McCain winning. My concern is whether unborn babies will be protected. Sure, I want to be able to sleep at night because I did the right thing. But I also want millions of babies to sleep (or cry) at night, because my vote actually helped them live. That, I believe, is the right thing for me to do—not to vote for an ideal unelectable candidate, but to do what I can to help children live even if I have to vote for a flawed candidate to do so.
To me, this is very different than the Rudy Giuliani situation I was addressing a year ago when I said:
As for Rudy Giuliani, try as I might, I just can't believe that followers of Jesus who stand for the cause of unborn children and family values are supposed to vote for a man who will not 1) defend the rights of the unborn, 2) define marriage as between a man and a woman; 3) keep his vows to his wife and 4) refrain from betraying and abandoning his own children. This is a man who publicly appeared with his mistress all over New York while still married.I also said in that article:
I don't see casting a vote on the level of unqualified absolute endorsement… All of us become pragmatic (choosing one imperfect candidate over a more imperfect one) at some point or we never vote at all, which some of my prolife friends never do. I give them consistency, but I wonder if they ever choose a less than perfect pastor, insurance program, or loaf of bread.Consider Abraham Lincoln, who was mostly right about slavery, but partly wrong. In a land where slavery had embedded itself in the culture, he saw its wrongs, but made statements that showed in certain respects he “didn’t get it.” But compared to his opponent, Douglas, who defended the continuance of slavery, Lincoln did indeed “get it.”
So who do I think a Christian should have voted for in terms of the dominant human rights issue of his culture? Lincoln. His position on slavery wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough to make a huge difference.
Many years ago, abortion began to embed itself into our own culture. I would rather McCain be exactly right, but I would rather have him be 98% there than not at all. (Yes, I realize McCain’s powers with abortion and Lincoln’s with slavery are different, and I realize McCain is no Lincoln; the analogy is to their imperfect beliefs about human rights that were nonetheless far better than the prevailing law of the land.)Years ago I had long discussions with Christian friends who voted against an Oregon ballot measure that attempted to restrict abortion to cases involving rape, incest and threat to the mother’s life. (A John McCain type of position.) Nanci and I voted for the measure. Why? Because it would save the vast majority of babies who would have been aborted in a state that wouldn’t begin to agree to a measure saving 100% of lives. The idea is, if you can start by saving some, eventually you might save more. And in this case, saving 98% would have been a bold start!
But my no-compromising prolife friends were “unwilling to sacrifice the 2% for the 98%.” So they voted against the measure. It sounded noble. (Never mind that still today their vote is remembered in Oregon politics as a pro-abortion vote.)
Certainly I would never kill two babies to save one hundred. But shouldn’t I jump in and try to save 98 babies even if I couldn’t save two, if those two would have died along with the 98 if I did nothing? My point is this: every single child who would die if John McCain’s beliefs were law is already dying under present law and would die if Obama’s beliefs were law. (Of course beliefs are not the same as law, but that’s not the point.) And many children, through Supreme Court appointments, could ultimately be saved.
If I were at the beach and four children were drowning and I could save only one or two of them, I would be grieved at those I couldn’t save. But I would not stay out of the water on the principle that if I can’t save them all, I shouldn’t try to save any. How are those not saved helped by the drowning of others? What’s pragmatic is sometimes immoral and sometimes moral, and we have to weigh it. Believe me, I understand the difficulty. That’s why I greatly sympathize with Angela’s question, which I have wrestled with nearly every election cycle. If my vote for McCain meant saying that children conceived by rape should be allowed to die, this would be evil. But I don’t see it as that—I see it as the best possible chance for many future children to live.Notice that pro-abortion forces do not celebrate McCain because of his exceptions with children conceived by rape. On the contrary, they see him as threatening the future of legal abortions because of the judges they think he’d appoint. And they see an Obama victory as the single greatest advancement of the abortion cause since Roe v. Wade. Doesn’t that tell you something?
I am not beholden to the Republican Party, nor am I on a McCain bandwagon. As I said in the last blog, I’m not voting for Republicanism or McCain, I’m voting for generations of innocent children. I’m not speaking up for McCain; I’m speaking up for those who cannot speak for themselves (Proverbs 31:8-9). Other special interest groups speak up for themselves—we are the only voice for God’s unborn children.
Yes, I’d rather help elect the candidate I voted for in the primaries. But now there’s only one candidate who by his judicial appointments could help save millions of babies over the next decades, long after he’s out of office. Like it or not, that’s John McCain. So Nanci’s and my votes for McCain and Palin are proxy votes for innocent unborn children.
One commenter on my last blog said, “For those of us who voted for George Bush solely based on abortion, he did NOTHING during his 8 years to end it. He wanted the Pro-life vote, but did NOT honor it with action. So, how can I believe McCain will not do the SAME thing??”
This is an argument I hear all the time. My response? It’s simply untrue. A president can’t just change laws. He doesn’t have that power. He can’t say, “Okay, abortion is no longer legal.” It doesn’t work that way. He can’t pass legislation; he can only sign or veto it.What can he do that makes a big prolife difference? Appoint prolife judges. And that’s exactly what George Bush did. He appointed prolife federal judges, and above all he successfully nominated Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, the two youngest members of the court. They both have clear prolife convictions.
So, as popular as it is to blame George Bush for nearly everything, he actually did follow through on being a prolife president in the most important way—court appointments. If John McCain did the same, it could ultimately result in the overturning of Roe v. Wade, allowing states to decide for themselves about the legality of abortion. And it would guarantee that the Freedom of Choice Act, which Obama promises to sign, would not be signed by our president. That would not be NOTHING—it would be SOMETHING very significant.
So don’t believe the myth, reflected in a number of the comments that have come in, that McCain could do nothing to further the prolife cause anyway. He could do one thing, exactly what Bush did—appoint prolife justices. And it could ultimately have a profound effect on future law.
Pro-abortion Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens is 88 years old. Pro-abortion Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 75. Stalwart prolifer Antonin Scalia is 72. In this court, there is only a one vote difference on abortion right now. Stevens will be in his nineties two years before the next president’s first term is over. Ginsburg will be close to 80. If one or two of these pro-abortion judges retires, and they are replaced with prolife judges, the legal cause of unborn babies could be dramatically enhanced, poising the court to revisit and overturn Roe v. Wade.
If a prolife judge, e.g. Scalia, retires and is replaced by a pro-abortion judge—which will certainly happen under Obama and Biden—it could set back the civil rights of unborn children for generations, with untold deaths as a result. But if Roe v. Wade were overturned and the states could once again decide for themselves about abortion, it would open up a debate which could lead to saving the lives of countless children. Not all of them, no, but many.
Could McCain appoint a judge who isn’t prolife? Yes. But I do know this—there is a 0% chance that any prolife Supreme Court justice would be deliberately nominated by Obama and Biden.
McCain chose an outspoken prolife running mate, Sarah Palin. Now, I’m not a big Cindy McCain fan, but Palin may be the most determined and uncompromising prolife candidate ever nominated for an executive position in our country. This is a main reason she is so hated and mocked, in a way that has stunned even some secular commentators.
It is possible that the passionate prolife position of Sarah Palin, for which McCain has come to her defense, could help move him from 98% to 100% prolife. But even if it doesn’t, it could certainly be an inescapable in-house (White House) reminder that he shouldn’t consider compromising an inch in the appointment of federal and Supreme Court judges.
Another comment: “Please help me understand something. I voted for George Bush Sr., Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, twice, and there is still abortion. If they were so pro-life and the government could still not overturn Roe v. Wade then why should we continue to base our votes on this issue? I am feeling used and manipulated by my, possibly former, political party. I am prayerfully considering altering my means of selecting a candidate.”Thanks for the question. I’ve just addressed the first part of it above. As for the rest, I sympathize with your feelings. But please don’t give up voting for prolife presidents. If John McCain did what George Bush did with judges it could make a huge difference.
If your “means of selecting a candidate” has been voting for people because of their party, I strongly suggest you forget the party, and look at the moral positions of the candidate. Not just economic policies that may or may not work, but what they believe and plan to do about the weakest and most vulnerable people in our culture. Yes, I am concerned for the poor and minorities. If John McCain advocated legalized killing of the poor and minorities I wouldn’t consider voting for him. But it is Barack Obama who advocates legalized killing of the poorest most vulnerable people in our culture, the unborn.
What will the prolife protest votes and protest abstentions against McCain accomplish? It will assure that the most radical pro-legal-abortion candidate in our history is elected. And who will pay the price? Bush? McCain? Republicans? No. Unborn children. How many we can’t be sure, but all those who might have been saved from death because abortion was less available.
Just like this commenter, many Christians feel mistreated or taken for granted by the Republican Party. Others who are enjoying the new flattery from the Democratic Party are where many were decades ago with the Republican Party, enjoying the sweet talk and thinking they weren’t being used. One day the new Democrat evangelicals will likely be disillusioned also when they count up the unkept promises and realize it was just about getting their votes. Meanwhile, any disillusionment with the Republican Party some of us are feeling pales in comparison to the suffering of unborn children. Let’s not punish politicians and parties by punishing children.
Yes, I too am a skeptic when it comes to political promises. But aren’t we all going to vote for a candidate at least partially based on what they claim to be core convictions?
I’m not voting for a candidate, I’m voting for children by proxy. If McCain were elected and children weren’t helped, I’d be truly sorry. But what’s the alternative? Helping elect someone who has promised to do what he can to make legal abortion permanent and utterly unrestricted at the state level? If John McCain didn’t keep his promises and chose judges poorly, he still would not do as much damage to the cause of unborn children as Obama has promised to do with the Freedom of Choice Act.
Nothing I have just said has anything whatsoever to do with choosing according to a political party or believing the kingdom of God rides on the shoulder of politics. It doesn’t. Certainly McCain is flawed and is no cure-all. He simply has the potential for reducing the number of children killed in our country, while his opponent—despite his words about abortion reduction—by signing FOCA would increase them.
Am I suggesting child-killing is more important than any other issue in America? Yes, I am.
Based on Scripture, show me one single thing that either candidate stands for or against that is more important than whether or not the killing of innocent children should be legal. And please, don’t start by saying, as many have, “I’m prolife, but…” and then end up with a justification for not voting in favor of saving the lives of unborn children.
If seventy years ago I were a German citizen and given a vote, imagine me saying “I’m pro-Jew, but I’m voting for the candidate who is committed to keep legal the killing of Jews; after all, I am not a single issue voter, and I think the pro-legalized-Jew-killing candidate has some good ideas and he’s cooler and more appealing than the candidate who wants Jew-killing to be illegal.”
Some object to this analogy because in Germany Jews were forcibly killed by the government, not just allowed to be killed. I don’t get that one—would it have been more noble if the German government would’ve given citizens permission to kill Jews themselves? Would it be okay for our president to say it should be legal for husbands to kill their wives, as long as the government didn’t do the actual killing, but husbands hired doctors or assassins to do it? The shedding of innocent blood is what it is, whether the government actually does it or simply says to its citizens it is their legal right to do it.
What comfort is it to people wiped out in a holocaust to be told that the government actually isn’t killing them; it’s just allowing doctors, neighbors or family members to kill them? Does the scalpel or the saline poison hurt the unborn child less because their parents weren’t forced to kill them, but were simply allowed to?
A holocaust isn’t primarily measured in terms of the motives of those who do the killing. It is measured in terms of large numbers of innocent human beings killed. I am not including here pictures of the holocaust of the unborn, but should you choose to look you’ll see they are remarkably similar to this picture of the Jewish Holocaust.I do not want to vote for a president committed to the ongoing legal killing of the unborn for the simple reason that I don’t want to vote for a holocaust. I want to vote against a holocaust.
Some are offended by the use of the term holocaust. But if you are prolife, if you believe the unborn are precious children, full-fledged members of the human race (and if you don’t believe this, then you’re not prolife in its historic sense), then why would you balk at the term? Isn’t over forty million deaths of innocent and helpless human beings cut to pieces and burned alive sufficient to earn the label?
The words “I’m prolife” do not magically compensate for helping elect a candidate who has vowed to defend the legalized killing of children, which is in fact to perpetuate a holocaust. And as for the single issue, doesn’t it depend on what that issue is? Offshore drilling, immigration or tax reform may be important, but they are not the same as whether it should be legal to kill innocent people. Shouldn’t all holocausts outweigh all non-holocausts? I confess to being a single issue voter when it comes to holocausts.
I wish McCain were 100% prolife instead of 98%. But he is not Rudy Giuliani, Joe Biden or Barack Obama. McCain has openly stated that he favors the overturning of Roe v. Wade, while these others have adamantly defended Roe v. Wade. This is why McCain and Palin are not merely disliked, but hated by the pro-abortion lobby. Doesn’t that tell you something? When the enemies of life are committed to defeating someone, isn’t that a good test of whether they are—at least for the most part—advocates of life?
By voting for McCain am I compromising? Yes. But I don’t hold a presidential candidate to the same standards I would hold a pastor of my church. Is there pragmatism involved? Sure. Some compromise and some pragmatism is wrong, some is right. I believe that in these circumstances, with what’s at stake in this election, it’s right. As James 1 says, we should ask God for wisdom to know his mind on this. But when you do, please don’t neglect what he has already said about the shedding of innocent blood.
Is there a time when it is possible to use your vote not so much for a person, but against an issue that you believe to be unbridled evil? If so, isn’t legalized child-killing such an issue? In this case is it possible to say,
“Lord, I am voting against the candidate who supports the legalized killing of the 100% of those whose parents elect abortion; the only way I can do that effectively is to vote for a man who on this sacred issue is 98% right and two percent wrong. I grieve the two percent, but I am voting for the 98%; you know my heart, please bless this vote as an expression of my desire to honor you.”This is what I’m doing. I’m not voting for a man, I’m voting for the best possible outcome for those who are the Jews and slaves of our day. And I am voting against the worst possible outcome.
On election day I wish I could do more. And I am deeply grateful there’s much I can do in life, outside the voting booth, to help the cause of the unborn.
May God have mercy on us. And may we, in our hearts and actions—including our votes—have mercy on the smallest and weakest of God’s precious children.
Rescue those being led away to death;
hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
If you say, "But we knew nothing about this,"
does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not he who guards your life know it?
Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? (Proverbs 24:11-12)

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Comments:
Randy,
I have been considering this election more and more each day. Thank you for your insight. I have often in the past been against the idea of voting for one or even two issues. After researching the FOCA I have changed my position. As you said, some issues are too important.
Thanks,
Carrie T.
All of the issues we face as a nation are important, but none moreso than the issue of life. If we devalue life at its very beginning, we most certainly will continue to devalue life throughout the spectrum of life itself. I am the mother of a special needs child. Is her life "less valuable" because she has little "value" to society in her condition? What about our elderly, and what will happen to them as their numbers increase and society will be "required" to care for them? Is there life less valuable at that point? We have but one choice - to go back to the Creator of life and recognize that He gives all life value because it is He who "knits us together" in our mother's womb. Society and government has no right to determine what God Himself has already declared. " knew you even before you were." It is because the Living God knows us, and created us, and "has a plan" for us that all life is valuable. We must vote pro-life. It is voting pro-truth.
Rev Kathi Rose
Neenah, WI
Thank you Randy!
Randy,
Thank you for articulating so well and at great length what is near and dear to my heart.
Stand Firm, Brother!
IHS,
Bruce
http://christiansoldiersonline.org/
This blog post is one of the most thought out and powerful blog posts I have ever read. I want to thank you Randy. Thank you for standing up for the unborn, thank you for doing God's work. Thank you for being a voice for others such as myself, thank you for giving us resources to work with, thank you for being a man who loves God with all his heart, Thank you for your dedication to the hurting and suffering children in the world. Every since I read your books it changed my life forever. I am speaking with a Pastor right now who has trouble in deciding a vote because he thinks the DEM party cares more for the poor, because he see's poor around him, though he is very pro-life. I lead him here all the time, believe you me more people see this blog then you realize. :)
Randy you word everything exactly how I feel myself but I can't seem to eloquently wrote like you, so I appreciate this blog more then you will ever know.
Thank you!!
I am the legislative director for National Right to Life. While I agree with the thrust of Mr. Alcorn's presentation above, perhaps I can add a few supplementary points that will be of interest to some readers.
It would be a shame if people made their evaluations of the presidential candidates based on the mistaken ideas that nothing positive has been accomplished by elected pro-life lawmakers during the Bush Administration, and/or that Obama's position is less radically pro-abortion than it really is.
On the positive side, despite the constraints imposed by the Supreme Court, the pro-life side has had significant gains. Those who say that President Bush and his administration have "done nothing" on pro-life issues need to take a closer look, because they are far off the mark. First and foremost, there have been the nominations to the Supreme Court, which have already been discussed. In addition, at the federal level, despite stiff resistance from pro-abortion interest groups and their congressional allies, under President Bush we won adoption of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, protections for pro-life health care providers, coverage for unborn children under SCHIP, and other important pro-life laws and policies. At the state level, we've enacted hundreds of laws -- parental notification, informed consent, waiting periods, curbs on tax funding of abortion, and others -- and there is empirical data that these laws in the aggregate prevent hundreds of thousands of abortions.
However, virtually all of these limits on abortion -- both federal and state -- would be nullified by the proposed federal law, the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act," which Obama has cosponsored. This bill would make partial-birth abortion legal again, require tax-funded abortion on demand, and invalidate virtually all state and federal limits on abortion, including parental notification laws. This bill also provides that "A government may not . . . discriminate against" abortion "in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information." This is the furthest thing from a formula for "abortion reduction." On July 17, 2007, Obama told the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do."
Obama has made made other commitments that, if implemented, will radically shift public policy in the pro-abortion direction. He opposes renewal of the Hyde Amendment, the federal law that cut off Medicaid funding for abortion. By the most conservative estimate, more than one million Americans are alive today because of the Hyde Amendment. But the Hyde Amendment is the type of law that must be renewed annually, and it would be at dire risk under a president who is so firmly opposed to it. If the Hyde Amendment is lost, it will result in many thousands of additional abortions annually.
Certainly, nominations to the Supreme Court are a major concern. The Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial-birth abortion in April, 2007, by a bare 5-4 vote. Both of President Bush's nominees voted to uphold the ban. Obama severely criticized the ruling, siding with the four dissenting justices. If the dissenters are joined by a fifth pro-abortion appointee, the Court itself could strike down many pro-life policies. Obama made it clear that if given the chance, he will appoint justices who agreed with those dissenters.
In a formal written response to a questionnaire from a leading pro-abortion activist group, Obama even came out for cutting off all federal aid to crisis pregnancy centers -- the centers that provide practical assistance to help women carry their babies to term.
Documentation of all this, and more, at www.nrlc.org
Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee (NRLC)
www.nrlc.org
legfederal // at // aol-dot-com
Randy~
I found your blog via the Citizenlink email. Could I please have your permission to repost this on my blog? (With full credit and a link back to you, of course.) It can be found at htt://diapersandstilettos.blogspot.com. I have friends I have discussed these very issues with, pro-lifers who are voting for Obama. You have stated so well what I have tried to. My email is tootsiewhite@comcast.net.
Thanks for considering it.
I have been wrestling with my vote for quite a while. Today, as I read this post, I thought that no man could have single-handedly stopped the Holocaust, but people who wanted it to stop did what they could, helping one person at a time. I believe the same is true of abortion. My sole vote cannot stop abortion in the US, but it is a small part of what can be done to save as many lives as possible. Thanks for providing food for thought.
Randy, I respect you and your work a tremendous amount, but I am left scratching my head wondering how you can support in John McCain in ANY fashion.
Let's pretend for a moment that his rank dishonesty, pathetic character, and win-at-all costs approach to the election don't matter. The man is a pro-war neo-conservative who accepted the endorsement of George Bush. The same George Bush is rightly regarded as a war criminal by much of the civilized world -- and yes, anyone who lies America into two immoral wars of aggression against nations that did not attack us IS a war criminal. There is nothing, NOTHING pro-life about taking actions leading to the deaths and suffering of millions of Iraqis and thousands of American troops and mercenaries.
You may also take some discomfort in the fact that you live in Oregon, a liberal state who will certainly swing for Obama. The electoral collage in your state is bound by law to cast their seven vote for the winner of the popular vote. So the reality is, you can vote for McCain, Baldwin or Donald Duck and your vote will matter the same -- that is, it won't.
I urge you to reconsider and vote for an actual pro-life candidate instead of someone who gives lip service to an eternal wedge issue in order to gain the vote of gullible single-issue voters. There are alternatives (such as Baldwin) that you can vote for and still feel good about.
God is Just,
J
My 25 year old daughter, fighting cancer that began in her uterus and spread over her entire body in the past two years gave birth six months ago to a healthy beautiful son.
Doctors tried to induce a miscarriage twice, but both attempts failed. They were concerned with whether my daughter could endure the stress and strain of a full-term pregnacy. Despite two injections to cause her body to reject the fetus, despite chemo and radiation, even despite my daughter's smoking while pregnant (for her nerves) and anti-depressant medications - my grandson survived. He was born with jaundice and had to be on oxygen for about a week because of poorly developed lungs, but at six months, he's as loud a screamer as any you'll hear while standing in line at Wal-Mart on a busy Saturday afternoon.
McCain would have allowed him to die to protect his mother. Obama would have insisted he die and be denied the oxygen that kept him alive the first week of his life. Both candidates, both Christians, were wrong. God decides these things.
Had my daughter died during birthing, Mikil would have, and still may, be raised by grandparents who believe that abortion is sinful. We are pro-choice when it comes to abortion: abstinence or protection. Mothers have the right to choose mercy or murder. As insensitive as that sounds, it's the truth. Just because God will forgive a woman for having an abortion doesn't give her the right to have one. We only have the right to do the right thing; anything else leads to death.
We allowed my daughter to decide whether to keep the child or not. God doesn't force us to obey Him; we can't force other people to obey Him - whether it's by creating laws to protect or destroy life. What we can do is to raise our children to turn to God and trust in Him when they face trials and sufferings. No candidate and no party deserves our trust for things that are beyond our control. Only God deserves that trust; and He has promised to hear our prayers.
"They should be allowed to live, except the one or two conceived by rape."
I know this is where McCain has said he stands. I read this on other websites and went to McCain's website to see what he had to say there. His website makes it sound like he is 100% prolife... I think the website is deceitful IMO because he does believe that in the case of rape, incest and for the mom's life. I resent the deceit. After further investigation I found an interview where someone asked him if in the case of rape if he would have the woman tested or something to confirm the rape... his answer was "no" he wouldn't have anything to confirm the abortion was because of rape. Do you know what that means? Anyone that wants an abortion would simply have to say "I was raped" and they would get an abortion. (and if a woman wants an abortion we all know she would say this) This means the laws will not be changing. The only thing that you might have going is not so liberal judges being appointed. So, while I see where McCain supporters stand on voting for him I think many of them may have not known this or considered it.
And as for the mother's life... every woman has the right to get a check up and make sure she is in great health BEFORE conceiving. Therefore, the baby should not be sacrificed. Especially since we know that the baby FEELS that pain, that anguish feeling of a horrible death! It sounds cold but the mother had her chance at life... (I can personally say this with confidence because they told me I had cervical cancer that was spreading rapidly and I could die without treatments while pregnant. I chose herbs and diet change from www.hacres.com and overcame it instead... so believe me, I know how hard it is to make decisions when you don't know the outcome)
I can't wait till this election is over and "prolifers" can be united... we are very torn because of these issues right now.
Dear Mr. Alcorn,
Thank you so much for posting this. I love your analogy. And thanks for posting the link to the post-abortion footage. It is hard to see, but I think too long we Christians have ignored the truth because it is hard and uncomfortable to face. Only in our discomfort can we gain our passion..
"Perfomrance is directly correlated to intensity. Intensity is directly correlated with discomfort." Coach Greg Glassman, CrossFit.com
One more question... what is your answer who say we should vote for a 3rd party canditate who lines up 100% with our views... even if he has no chance of winning or making effective change? If I vote for a 3rd party candidate wouldn't I be wasting my vote if my overall goal is lasting change for the better?
Thanks
Angela
Tulsa,OK
Randy,
I appreciate your conviction on this issue, as it is one that I feel strongly about myself. However, I think a major issue missing from this post (perhaps it was addressed previously and I haven't seen it) is the greater picture of supporting the state. Without getting too much into the underlying Libertarian ideas, my main points are 1. supporting presidents who, whether you agree or disagree with their reasons, have had their hands in (and will most certainly have their hands in if McCain is elected) the killing of innocents across the world for political and nationalistic gain is the GIANT elephant in the room with these discussions. I am greatly disheartened by the overwhelming evangelical support for our country's military involvement across the world. Does it not disturb you that our country spends more on its military than every other nation combined? That we have our military stationed in numerous countries around the world, and have the blood of 'collateral' damage on our hands, is not something to be ignored, but it often is (not to mention the fact that our 'war on drugs' has caused the U.S. to have a higher rate of imprisonment than any other nation in the world!). And while I am staunchly pro-life, I do think the pain and suffering endured by innocents in war is in some ways categorically 'worse' than that of an unborn person, which I mention not to lessen the weight of the moral evil of abortion, but to heighten the weight of the moral evil of perpetual war. If we as Christians vote for John McCain, we tacitly lend our support to a known pro-war participant, both in terms of his involvement in Vietnam (where it is inarguable that great atrocities took place, and the warrant for the conflict of which is incredibly difficult to justify), and his eye on current 'enemies.' The U.S. has a long history of direct and indirect meddling around the globe. I mention indirect because the deaths caused by factions that we support or because of the support that we rescind are just as much on our heads as theirs (see: Nicaragua, Iraq after the first Gulf War, Iran in the 40's and 50's, etc.). Your conclusion about George Bush is incredible, because while he may have appointed pro-life justices (and btw, the abortion issue going back to the states is cold comfort, considering how contemptible and inept most local governments are), his overall policies have led to growing federal programs, an immense growth in national debt (where's the 'conservative fiscal policy'?) that damages the functioning of the family, numerous deaths abroad, further intrusion into our lives, illegal spying and disregard for the rule of law, outright lying, etc. Not to mention that Republicans weren't brave enough to put a stop to the reckless fiscal policies that are now damaging many middle to lower class people. Feeling good about George Bush despite these issues seems unjustifiable to me.
But I'd say just as important as that is 2. what I believe is our (that is, Christians) complete misunderstanding of the State, how it functions, what it means to support it, and what it does to our faith and churches to become entwined with it. I believe that the few passages on the subject in the NT have been completely overblown and often times misunderstood by Evangelicals. And sometimes I get the sense that we think the U.S. is God's nation in the same way that Israel was, which is obviously a grievous error. Perhaps we should view ourselves more akin to Babylon? I don't think there is the time or space here to dig into a lot of these areas in this forum, but I just wanted to put it out there to spark some perhaps alternative thought processes.
Certainly a good case can be made that life is more important than any other issues on the board, but, if a politician advocates making abortion illegal, and yet participates in damaging economic policies that will hurt (or even kill) the lowly, pre-emptive warfare that will kill many innocents, makes rash decisions, and keeps company with power-hungry people with hundreds of competing interests, it seems to me that this person can't be supported. The very system they interact with has a will greater than their own (the powers and principalities), and it will impose its will on all those who seek to rule it. Thus, I think a Christian's duty would be to not vote for either of these candidates. Would Jesus vote for John McCain? I HIGHLY doubt it. Would he even participate in our political process, or advocate that we do so? I doubt that as well.
I would be very interested for you to read and interact with an article I found the other day by a Catholic thinker. It is called "Christians and the Pro-Life Ploy" http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dilsaver1.html He can be a bit blustery, and I don't agree with all his points, but I think the main thrust of his argument is important and needs more discussion amongst the people of God. Even if we don't all end up agreeing, I get the sense that most of us never even think about the things he raises, which is tragic.
Thanks again for taking the time to read and interact with us.
Ryan
Hi Randy,
I just wanted to thank you for being willing to talk openly and honestly about difficult topics like this, whether here in your blog or in your books or wherever else. I know how much you research these things; I greatly appreciate it and respect all that you have to say. I learn so much from your writings. May God continue to bless you with His wisdom and love. :)
Sorry, but with all due respect, put yourself in the shoes of women who have been brutally raped, or perhaps worse, the victim of incest, either of which can result in unwanted pregnancy.
Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing and it allows all of us to express our OPINIONS, but this also requires being open to others' freedom of speech, thus open to considering their thoughts. Thus, please take a moment to consider what a rape or incest victim must live with for the rest of her life; the mother, in turn, may then become a violent or otherwise unfit mother because of the trauma that she experienced, even with counseling. The baby in these situations is not made out of love; it is made from violence and crime. I challenge each of you "pro-life" bloggers to consider this. I'm not asking you to change your mind, just open yourself to other viewpoints.
Thank you for your time.
You effectively make the point that the abortion stance should be the litmus test for any Christian voter. The biblical case against abortion is indirect, while there are many other moral principals that the Bible explicitly and repeatedly hammers home. Your claim that the former must trump the latter is hardly intuitively obvious.
If this were, in fact, about Christians striving to follow the will of God as revealed in the Bible, they might refuse to support abortion-friendly candidates, but they would be at least as hard on the politicians who go to war to cover for their inability to govern, who blithely lie to the public and bully the public service into manufacturing corroborating evidence, who condone torture, and who consider it their perogative to suspend basic principles of good governance for their personal benefit...but I have yet to hear an abortion-crusading Christian take on any of those issues.
An alternative take on this is that "Christianity" is the official religion of political conservatives because it provides a moral rallying point for their followers and an enemy to demonize while distracting them from taking a close look a the moral fiber and behaviour of those they follow. These people balance being Christian and conservative...and neither is allowed to get the upper hand.
However, would I be way off the mark if I were to observe that you are preaching to the choir, and remarks such as mine will be considered a pure waste of time by anyone liable to read them?
Paul Klassen
the truth is that very very few pregnancies occur from rape or incest. The majorities of abortions are done for nealy every other reason than rape or incest. I find it inexcusable to attempt to make larger numbers of cases than what is truely the very small numbers.
It is just another liberal way to try to sneak past the immorality of it all. Unfit mothers have lost their children and will continue to lose their children when they are unable or unwilling to care for them. There are many willing couples to adopt these infants. The problem is that most states wont step in early and remove these children so that by the time they are taken away, they are so damaged that very few couples looking to adopt are willing to adopt an abused child who most likely will have many emotional issues. If the state could step in early, it might have a better outcome.
Why dont we have more options for pregnant women by finding adoptive parents who will take on the costs of the pregnancy and delivery so that these mothers who do not wish to raise their child can get the help they need in order to bring their child to life. When I hear a young person say that they cannot bear to bring a child into this world and then give them up for adoption being the reason for abortion just makes me want to cry. They would rather murder their child than to allow it to live with others who can offer the child more than they can. It makes no sense. I guess we've failed as a race of human beings to instill in our children the value of life. We have raised so many children with the LIEberal ( I call it LIEberal because it IS based upon the lie that Man is the creator of his own future)mindset that killing another human being is alright if you can't afford them, or if the time isnt right to be a mom, or if you want to go to school, or if the father wants nothing to do with the child. Its all about OUR SELFISHNESS. IF you dont want a baby, then DONT have sex.
What ever happened to right and wrong? I see so many dancing around it now and no one seems to want to talk about right and wrong. We are a selfish race and we want it all but do not want to sacrifice anything for it.
The Lord's wrath is just begun upon HIS people because we have fallen for the lie from Satan. My heart hurts so badly Randy when I read all these "excuses" for allowing this practice to go on. People who murder are criminals. We can call it anything else you like but it boils down to murder and those who perpetrate it are murderer's, plain and simple murderer's.
Thank you Douglas for pointing out what Pres Bush HAS in fact done to help save babies. Its so easy to say that nothing's been done so why bother.
Im so sick and tired of those comparing abortion to war that it doesnt even make sense to address it anymore. People will use ANY excuse to continue to allow over 1 million babies a year to be slaughtered. It's really sickening to me to see Christians jumping in the fray going along with all the excusemakers (pharisee's).. Sad,, its truely sad...
Its really time for the follower's of Jesus to stand up and do whats RIGHT, not what is easy and certainly not whats cool..
Obama is NOT COOL!
jackie m
grass valley, calif
John McCain is 98% right on abortion yet fails miserably when it comes to living, breathing human beings. Did not Mr. McCain climb into a jet and bomb villages and cities during the Vietnam War and "abort" many civilians. Innocent civilians that did absolutely nothing to not one American. North Vietnam never posed a threat to one American until we brought military aid, advisors, the CIA, and many thousands of troops to that country. According to McCain, 23 missions were carried out by him, bombing(aborting) how many people? And he is pro-life? I have yet to read anything from him that tells me he repented from that atrocity. Hasn't it been proven that war was a farce, a big lie? Has he not been behind everyone of the current presidents plans to blow up Afganistan and Iraq cities? When did the citizens of those countries attack the United States? Isn't Iran next on the list of countries to destroy? Tell me, where does Jesus Christ come down on men and women that choose to listen to kings and nations instead of His words to not even be angry with another man, yet alone bomb them to hell and back. Why are the only terrorists and war criminals foreigners? I haven't voted for years and never will again. Abortions have continued without interference for the past 8 years and it will be the same with either candidate after election time. And sadly, already born human beings that want to raise their families in peace will be obliterated by U.S. bombs and bullets with the approval of people like you all for the greed of the leaders that you have put into power. And you're pro-life? Yea, right.
Thanks, Randy, for being such a vocal advocate for the unborn for so many years. May your tribe increase. Barak Obama would be the Manasseh of our day, and, like you, I'm working toward and praying for his defeat.
Wonderful article, Randy. Beautifully expressed. Thank you for this.
For those who are interested in a Christian defense of the morality of voting for the least problematic viable candidate: http://www.jimmyakin.org/2008/10/elections-vot-1.html
The above is the fourth part of a six part series. The links to the rest are located within the post itself.
God bless.
anonymous-
why don't you put yourself in the shoes of the unborn baby? You call the mothers victims, (which I too believe they are in these situations) but doesn't this make the baby a victim as well?
So are you saying that because the baby is (quoting you)"not made out of love it is made from violence and crime" that the baby somehow deserves to be brutally murdered?
How on earth does that make ANY SENSE? Everyone is so quick to defend the mothers and dismiss the babies. Why can't we defend them both? Why should one be murdered. It is honestly heart breaking to me.
I would suggest you all see this very short film as it shows just how flimsy Roe vs Wade really is and how it will eventually be overturned.
This short film was made by 50 homeschooled kids with some help from a few film makers.
It is excellent!
http://www.onenewsnow.com/comewhatmay/default.aspx#seg5
jackie m
grass valley, calif
Randy,
I've gone through a process similar to yours: really wanting to vote for Obama because he is able to bridge many of our cultural divides, then being horrified by his refusal to make any concessions to those of us who are convinced that abortion is murder. On the other hand, my pro-life convictions also make McCain abhorrent. Passionately pro-life friends who have spent themselves in missions in the Middle East have seen the rampant killing of civilians done under Bush (which McCain has vowed to continue and even increase) and consider it even more abhorrent than Obama's pro-abortion stance. I have anguished in prayer, done gobs of research, read the candidates' books, watched all the speeches, etc. I am still paralyzed, too grieved by both candidates' anti-life positions (abortion and unjust war) to put either vote on my conscience. I will spend the day in fasting and prayer. God help us, Nancy
McCain has NOT said he will continue in ANY killing nor will he escalate it. Where do you get this mis-information? McCain said he will stay in Iraq as long as THEY NEED US. IF we leave, it will detoriate and many more iraqi's will be murdered. We have NOT MURDERED innocent iraqi's on purpose, but they have intentionally murdered American Soldiers.
There is NO COMPARISON between Abortion and war. NONE
Wow...reading all of those comments was intense...
Mr. Alcorn, thank you for sharing your views, which I support and agree with. Many years ago, I used to peacefully stand outside a Planned Parenthood on Friday's, their "Abortion Day." I went there to counsel, pray, and make myself available to girls & women who may need support and hopefully talk them out of ending the life of their child.
The first young girl I spoke to was coming back to the clinic, crying and very scared because in her abortion a week before, the Drs. had not removed the whole baby. They called her back because they needed to give this young teenage girl another procedure to scrape out the remainder of the unborn baby inside of her. You see, it is the job of the nurse to assemble the aborted parts to be sure they got the whole body of the unborn baby. This is how they knew they needed to call the girl back. She was very overwhelmed and afraid.
I also remember a young couple coming together one day to get their unborn child aborted. They laughed at me for being there, doing what I was doing...snickering all the way the through the doors of the clinic. About 3 hours later they came out, but they weren't laughing. She was crying so hard, and he was trying his best to comfort her. All the way through the parking lot and into their car she sobbed. I felt so badly for them both.
As for pregnacy in the case of rape and incest, remember the actress & singer Eartha Kitt? She was born out of rape. There are many men and women born out of rape and incest and they have stories...wonderful stories, and not one of them I read about wish they had been aborted. There are many too, that have survived abortion, people that live full, love-filled lives. They all deserved to be born and live! None of them deserved the death penalty for the sins of others.
Randy, I LOVE your book "Heaven" and thoughts about that place are what keep me going every day! Half of my family are there, and I SO look forward to reuniting with them, meeting all the saints, & the Lord face to face!
Praise the Lord for Heaven!!
Keep doing what you're doing Randy!
In Christ, Annie LaPoint
Randy,
I'm sorry, but I don't understand everybody arguing amongst each other here at your blog between McCain and Baldwin. Wouldn't it be better to instead talk to all the "Christians" who are planning on voting for Obama? Every Multnomah Bible College student I know of except ONE is voting for Obama. Those are the people who we need to get into discussions with -- in person. Protest, screen a movie, hand out fliers, speak out, show ultrasound pictures, use stories... for crying out loud so many future "pastors" should not be voting for someone who passionately and proudly defends a woman's right to kill her child. Also, abortion is murder. We cannot compromise on this matter or it will not end. The definition of the "health" of a woman has been stretched so far (by Obama, for one). If a girl's parents would be unhappy with her pregnancy and may judge her... that's an unhealthy living environment for her. If a girl threatens suicide... she "may not" be emotionally healthy. There are people who make me feel sick to my stomach by some of the things they say and do, but I'm not going to kill them for the cause of improving my health. I'd rather die than kill someone -- even an evil person. How can you advocate killing an innocent person for ANY reason? God created the life for a reason. He placed it within the womb at the perfect time according to His Will. None of us have any right to tell Him He was wrong. Because that's what destroying it would do. Seriously, if abortion is murder... it's murder. To put a woman through that sin would be caring for her earthly well-being more than her eternal well-being. I know you must see that, Randy. We must love each life and thus protect it in the best possible (the righteous) way. For the baby, that means giving it every chance at a life in which they might get to know their Heavenly Father and have the chance to welcome Him into their hearts. For the women, that means caring for her soul, first and foremost. She'll die. We all will. But will she do the right thing in God's Eyes before she dies? That's what we can help with. We can encourage. We can support. We can give her all she needs, and provide the information she needs, to make that choice and to make it well. To help her (or encourage her) to make the wrong choice would be a great disservice to her eternally -- worse than inflicting harm on her physically. Please consider this. Please pray.
People will always make comments about abortion b/c of rape or incest. But do they really know how low the percentage is that it actually occurs. And to say that it's ok to have a abortion if she actually concieves b/c of that violent crime?? and how will she feel b/c of it? I tell you this, a woman NEVER NEVER gets over a abortion..NEVER.it stays with her to her last breath. On top of the memory of the rape, she will then have the memory and guilt of killing a child. Will she be forgiven by God if asked? you bet! but it will always be with her. A woman never gets over abortion no matter what anyone tries to tell her. They will say it was justified and not to worry about it but she knows deep down it's wrong.
Abortion is murder. It's no different that taking the life of a human being outside of the womb, except that you won't hear the baby cry or have any possible defense to the harm being done to them.
It's a sad and terrible state when human beings have believed a lie that abortion is a "right" or a "choice". As a young, single woman, I'm a very aware that a pregnancy could result of a horideous crime being done to me...however, no matter what would be done towards me, it could never, never, NEVER be the fault of the human organism growing inside.
Abortion is the silent holoucost in our nation. It's terrible. It's hardbreaking because it's showed how skewed our thinking has become.
Sometimes, they are clear right and wrong issues. Not everything is "gray" or up for "point of view". What if I decided, in my opinion that it was OK to kill my neighbor, because in my opinion, or beliefs lined up that it was OK to kill someone I disliked...that it is my right??
Ludicrious.
I agree that human life is sacred, and have a difficult time choosing between a candidate who could fight for unborn (McCain) and a candidate I believe will be much better able to end wars that kill MANY innocent people (Obama). This is where I see the difficulty from my Christian faith standpoint - choosing between 1)millions of people trapped and suffering and dieing in war torn areas, and 2) the unborn dieing from abortion. I guess my gut tells me that if I must make a choice, it is for people who are already born and breathing. How do you make a choice in this area? I believe all of the Bible quotes you shared to show how angry God is at abortion also show how angry God is at what the Bush administration calls 'collateral damage'.
Why in general do you think that prolifers don't agree with my basic assumptions: 1) War is evil and we need diplomacy to work to end it and work for peace. 2) The US is very often involved in unjust wars which result in the shedding of innocent blood around the world. I guess I feel as anti-war as I do anti-abortion and I feel they come from the very same place. Why does one party fight for no abortion and the other party fight for no war. Don't they come from the very same place, Jesus?
Do you see this election as making a choice between shedding innocent blood in abortion and in war? I wish the US could educate our children in diplomacy and peace instead of war. How creative and wonderful and life-saving the solutions may be if we could spend some time and energy on peace! I'm encouraged by more and more Universities having social justice classes and peace studies.
Thanks for allowing me to put this nagging thought into words somewhere! I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
Margie Stinson
margie,
I agree it would be so nice if we could have world peace. You seem to point the finger at America a lot when we are the most peaceful and giving nation in the world. When you see something really bad going on in other parts of the world such as Saddam and his rape and torture rooms going on, do we sit back and do nothing? Saddam refused to follow sanctions, he refused to follow agreements that he himself agreed to with the UN. To turn the other way and allow Saddam to keep on with HIS murderous ways would make us complicit as well. You cannot negotiate with the unwilling. That is one thing that you do NOT appear to understand. It takes two to negotiate and to find a workable solution that does not involve war or violence. There have been several dictators who have been unwilling to stop the crimes against humanity so therefore there is NO negotiating with them. Reading about 'social justice' and 'peace studies' will NEVER amount to peace and justice and is nothing more than the foolish notion of some liberal loon who does not understand justice in the first place. When one knows something terrible is going on and you have the ability to change it, isnt it worse to sit back and do nothing?
America is not the evil country in the world. WE are the most generous often to the point of sacrificing our own needs here in America to help other nations and yet you call 'US' bad. I do not understand, not at all.
IF RADICAL Muslims were not attacking others around the world and not committing crimes against humanity, there would be peace. America would not need to be in so many countries working hard to keep peace if not for the evil radicals in the world.
Im so very offended by those who blame America first for defending the innocent. Yes there is some collateral damage, however, OUR SOLDIERS work very hard to avoid it at all cost even costing many more American soldiers lives because they are working so hard to avoid hurting anyone who is innocent. The radical muslims certainly dont care about avoiding the harming of innocents. In fact, they try hard TO HARM innocents for more impact and to cause 'terror' in so many lives.
As long as there are the kind of people who would bury a woman to her waist and stone her to death for breaking some sharia law, or the hanging of a 16 year old woman for being raped, or as long as 16 and 17 year old homosexuals are being hung in public to discourage homosexuality, someone must come to their defense. If not the greatest country in the world, America, then who?
Defending life and being pro-life is exactly that.
But if you have ever read your Bible, truthfully, if you have, you will see where God's people were called many times to go into a city or other countries and kill every citizen living within the area that God called them to kill. There ARE just and richeous wars.
We Americans DO NOT START wars just for the fun of it and Im very offended that you would say that.
Once again, voting for Obama is NOT a Christian option.
God Help us, keep praying for blessings and for the Lord to SAVE US from Obama.
Randy,
I want to tell you how much I appreciate your ministry and your heart for all people, but especially the unborn. I share your sentiments, I am not sure who the "us" really is anymore. I see all the comments here by well-intentioned believers and such a diverse set of beliefs and opinions and I think of Jesus among the crowds. They had the same confusion and ambiguity about what they thought was right. I am reminded of Christ looking out over them and seeing them as lost sheep who needed a shepard and he had compassion on them. Such is our nature as sheep. We long for black and whites, easy, clear choices, but in this fallen world we are left instead with a sliding scale of better or worses. It saddens me that so many christians are so easily carried off by the reasoning of the world. We think with our gut and reason with our emotions. If this wasn't enough we also have a crafty and cunning enemy who actively works to deceive us. I hear christians sometimes say that "All sin is the same in God's eyes." In the sense of seperating us from him maybe, but not in practical sense, a destructive sense, nor in the punishments he prescribed for them in the old testament. It seems to me that many christians view moral issues in the same way today. Cetainly God does not like to see innocent people(adults and children)killed as a result of wars. Or the poor neglected in a society. Failing to care for widows, etc. But judging from Christ dealings with children in the Gospels(e.x.the disciples hindering them from coming to him and his subsiquent rebuke to them), and his warnings to those who would harm or mislead them ("Better to tie a milestone"), Does it not seem that on God's "Sliding scale"(for lack of better term) that there can be no persons more "innocent" and "helpless" than the unborn child. Let's face it- the Church is too weak to fix all these problems(helping poor, ending wars, feeding all the starving, clothing all the naked, etc.) Remember what Our Lord said to the disciple who scolded the woman who annointed his feet and could have spent the money helping the poor. "The poor you will always have with you,...." Jesus said. Jesus obviously cared about the poor, but something more IMPORTANT needed to be done just then.( Some things are just more important than these other social issues(although we should continue to work on them) The barbaric slaughter of the unborn children is that issue in our day. Those who claim to know God can change that, or let us fight with all our hearts trying.(and no I don't condone the bombing of abortion clinics or killing those doctors). But let us not be like that disciple and say "what about the poor, or the war in Iraq, or social injustice." those things will always be with us. We need to put an end to the murder of innocent unborn people NOW! I pray that we will be sober minded on this issue and vote for the true pro-life candidate during this election. Your vote can make a difference. Please condsider these things prayerfully, and may God have mercy on us.
to the last post, HOW could anyone think that being pro-abortion or pro-obama is just a 'diverse set of beliefs and opinions?'
I KNOW in my heart of hearts that if Jesus was standing in the middle of all of 'us', HE WOULD say that saving the unborn HAS to be the most important issue.
praying for a McCain/Palin win
If you believe that a President can end abortion through an abortion ban, you are an ignorant person. There is so much that we need to do to stop abortion, and an abortion ban is simply not #1.
You all can claim abortion as your #1 issue all you want, but in your ignorance you sin. The obligations the Gospels give us are unmistakably clear: take care of the poor, take care of the sick, take care of the fatherless, and love your neighbor. Your chosen candidate in McCain/Palin fails in each and every one of those... while at the same time they only pay lip-service to ending abortion.
You people--while in Christ I love you all--are unbelievable. Jesus would be screaming at the top of His lungs to stop trying to use the government to end abortion, and instead try using your love, your church, and your resources. A ban will do nothing but criminalize already hurting people.
This is nothing but ignorance en masse.
Randy,
Thank you for your insightful writing. I have been trying to communicate this very same idea for the past few months and your writing communicates everything I have been wanting to get across. I am not Pro-McCain but am very anti-Obama due to his stance on abortion. I am sharing this article with people because I believe you have found the words that I have been looking for. Thank you for writing this, and may God bless you for sharing your insight into this very important issue.
I respectfully disagree with you
Manchicken.
Its NOT about ONE MAN ending Abortion, that will take years to accomplish. IT IS about putting a man in the right seat to put more USSC justices on the supreme Court who WILL vote to overturn Roe vs Wade.. Obama will sign into las the FOCA which will promote more abortions than ever and McCain wont sign that evil piece of legislation.
You're right that we are all sinful, but WE DO have the forgiveness of OUR Lord when we seek his forgiveness.
We DO need to take care of the poor, we do need to take care of the eldery and the infirm. But doing that does NOT mean we should abandon putting one in Power who will work to overturn the worst piece of legislation ever written in American history.
If Christians wont stand up for what is right, then who will? Those who do not know the Lord will run rickshaw right over us and put laws into effect that support THEIR GODLESS Society. Do WE really want that?
Once again, "some" people either dont get it or dont WANT to get it.
Obama will support laws that will allow partial birth abortion again, he will support laws that prohibit parents from being notified of their childs impending abortion and wont be able to do anything about it. Obama will allow abortion at ANY stage of a pregnancy right up to the due date when an infant CAN survive outside the mother's womb.
McCain will NOT sign into effect FOCA. McCain will not overturn Roe vs Wade, but HE WILL put USSC justices who will, in time, overturn Roe vs Wade in America that should NEVER have been put into law to begin with.
It DOES MATTER which person you vote for, it DOES!
I will be praying even more today not only for tomorrow election but for you chickenman.
Thank you for your strong stand against abortion and your example to the Church of Jesus Christ.
Woah,
I hadn't even seen this post before I posted my comment on the post above this one. I have to say Randy, you truly are a very sick person. Comparing abortion to the holocaust?????? You are either very ill-informed, or very stupid, and by now I'm pretty convinced it is the latter of the two. Do you even have any idea what the holocaust was?? The holocaust was the slaughtering of thousands of Jews, Catholics, Blacks, and other minorities for no apparent reason. An abortion is stopping a baby from being born. I think there is a large difference between the two, and you are a truly stupid induvidual if you are truly to close-minded to compare the two. You are an ignorant person who can't seem to find anything better to do with his time than to poison society with your filthy Christian propaganda. Using images of dead Jews in a pit as a representation of abortion is ignorant, and offensive to me, and anyone else with even a hint of common sense in their brains. You convince people to believe your filthy lies so you can carry out your agenda to turn America into a pro-life, abstinance-loving, homophobic, right-wing, conservative Christian regime. It's because of poison seeds like you, planting themselves in the fragile infrastructure of our society that human progress is now staggering close to the edge of extinction.
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