Two weeks ago I had the privilege of answering some questions about giving on the Revive Our Hearts website. I have the greatest appreciation for Nancy Leigh DeMoss and Revive Our Hearts. If you're not familiar with their ministry, I'd encourage you to check out their website. (Or if you're a guy, encourage the women in your life.) I'm going to begin setting aside Wednesday blogs for questions and answers, so for the next few Wednesdays I'll be posting more of the answers I wrote in response to these questions.
One commenter asked: The question I have is that we are reaping consequences from bad choices. My husband and I have a young family and are still paying down $100,000 of student loans from both of us going to a private university.We have been counseled in a number of ways on this. One is that you continue giving SO THAT God will meet your need (which is much like the "prosperity gospel" and we believe the motive for giving is not right). Then we were taught that we need to be faithful, even if the budget is tight, to give at least 10%, and that that should be our FIRST check we make out each month (even if we know we won't make our other bills) as evidence of the priority of God and His church in our lives. We've also heard it taught that since we're in debt, our money is not our own so we need to work really hard to pay that back so that our money is freed to give back to God.
I understand what you are saying about the heart of giving, but I was wondering what is the biblical approach in these situations? Another part of this is our strong burden to adopt, but we don't feel we can be in the place to begin that until we are freed from this debt.
I so appreciate your heart. Thanks for your question. I disagree in the strongest possible way with those who argue that since we're in debt we shouldn't give to God until we get out of debt.
I agree 100% with the position that we need to be faithful in our giving, maintaining it in difficult times and increasing it if we haven't been giving much in the past. Often our lack of giving has been a large part of our financial problem. Certainly, it is never a solution to it.
I think we need to follow your example, and take an honest look at past decisions that have put us in financial difficulty. Where in the Bible does it say we should go to an expensive university rather than a community college? Or choose an expensive car rather than a cheaper one? Or go to expensive restaurants or buy nice clothes? Often we mistake our wants for needs.
Through debt sometimes we unconsciously try to maneuver God into a position where he’s obligated to “provide” in the form of our future payments. In a role reversal, we set up the rules of the game and then expect God to play by them. Assuming the role of Master, we demote God to the obedient genie, who exists to underwrite our causes and fulfill our agendas. In such cases debt is not merely unwise, but evil.God sometimes disciplines us by making us face the consequences of unnecessary debt. I commend you for recognizing that, and the rest of us should do the same. When we go into debt for illegitimate reasons, we go on our own. God isn’t party to our decision, and He isn’t obligated to fulfill our financial commitment, which we made outside the direction of His Word and His Spirit.
Now, here's how this relates to the giving issue. Debt is especially dangerous when we’re tempted to rob our primary creditor (God) to pay our secondary creditors (people).
Some Christians give nothing to God, while others reduce their giving to make monthly payments on conveniences. I’ve heard people say that it would be a “poor witness” not to pay their bills. They suppose that God would have them pay their creditors rather than give Him the first fruits. One Christian financial counselor routinely advises people not to give anything to God unless they are completely out of debt. (Some have received this advice from Consumer Credit Counseling Service, a service I otherwise recommend.)
If we’re faithful in our giving to God, only then can we look to Him for help in finding the resources to pay others. God says when His people give Him tithes and freewill offerings, He will “throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it” (Malachi 3:10). Isn’t that exactly what people need if they want to get out of debt?
God tells His people that because they spent money on themselves that they should have given to Him, He put holes in their purses (Haggai 1:2-11). Jesus says that with the measure we give to God it will be given back to us (Luke 6:38). The more serious our financial problems, the more critical it is that we do what God says will result in His provision—give! (That is not prosperity theology, which I detest; it is the promise of God's Word.)
A creditor may say, “Nobody should give to their church until they pay me off.” But we owe the first fruits to God, not the last fruits. Those who put God first will pay off their human creditors, while those who put human creditors before the divine Creditor always get into trouble. They are right to make every effort to pay people what they owe them, but they are wrong to do so from the first fruits that God says belong to Him, not to us and not to others. We need God's help to get out of debt. When you're asking for someone's financial help, it's generally not recommended that you steal from them to pay others!
God will not eliminate the consequences of our unwise decisions. He wants us to learn through them and experience character-building and conformity to the image of Christ. If by giving to God we can no longer afford to make payments on a loan, then we need to liquidate our assets, take losses where we must, and cut spending to a minimum to eliminate the debt. Quit going to Starbucks, don't hang out at the mall, stay away from eBay, buy clothes at thrift stores, don't go to restaurants, forget the expensive vacations (camp out in your back yard—you can have a blast).
It's shocking how much money we can come up with when we stop spending indiscriminately (as shocking as it is when we discover how much time we have when we turn off the TV). Give up these non-necessities at least for a season until you get on top of things. But we should never rob God—not for any reason, and certainly not to compensate for past unwise decisions.
To change the direction of our lives we need to prayerfully make wise decisions, and nothing is wiser than giving first to God, cutting back our expenditures wherever we can, and systematically paying off our debts to others, having placed ourselves through our faithful giving under God's blessing instead of His curse. I wish you the best as you experience the adventure of God's faithful provision when you are committed to being His faithful steward.

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Comments:
Thank you for this. I've never noticed that verse about the hole in your purse....wow, that explains so much.
I've always been a tither, until I started a little business out of my home and ... FORGOT, I'm ashamed and horrified to say.
Its funny how 2 + 2 sometimes doesn't equal 4 in God's economy. My 2 + 2 equals a negative number lately, but I've seen firsthand how sometimes 2 + 2 can equal thousands when we tithe. I'm going to go write that check right now.... and thanks for the reminder.
Thank you for this post.
I listened to your discussions on Revive our Hearts and was very convicted by them. You are so Biblically-sound. I wish that I had learned these lessons early on in my marriage. I find myself in the same situation as the gal who posed the original question.
It's never too late to change, and with God's help, we can.
Thank you for your service to Him. I know that I am not the only person blessed by your faithfulness.
My pastor often says that if you want to see what you really love, look at your checkbook. And I have heard another pastor say that in all of his years of ministry he has had hundreds of men walk into his office and confess some type of sexual immorality, addition to pornography, etc, but he has never had anyone walk into his office and confess to having a problem with money. Unfortunately, the culture we live in makes this the hardest area to surrender to the Lord. But is anything really right in our lives until we do?
I can relate to this situation. My wife and I have 5 (soon to be 6) children and we're paying off student loans from two private Christian school undergraduate degrees and part of the time I spent working on my yet to be finished masters degree. While we've struggled financially through the years, we've found that tithing our first ten percent to God is important. It was a good first step in learning to not be so controlling in our finances and other areas in our lives. Besides, God does way more with my 90% than I can do with 100%.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Great, great post. I dont know if I've ever seen someone post about this in such detail. And how needed it is!
My husband and I were led to sponsor Compassion children. And now we have five. And we make enough money to still be considered under the poverty line in our state. We don't have a house because we can't afford it, and we have a little debt, mostly for my husband's school loans and car.
But I think the biggest reason we are so "poor" is because we think of the poverty in Africa and realize just how rich we are. It's hard for us to justify spending so much here when they have so little over there.
One thing we do, and I'm not sure how you'd feel about this, is instead of tithing to an actual church, we use our tithing money to give to people in need, whether it's a missionary, an adoption fund, or a single mom down the street. One thing we like to do is when we see someone in need, we anonymously put a check on their doorstep paid to the heating company, or something similar, sometimes just cash.
So, we don't actually give to a church, but we consider our giving to be tithing.
What do you think of that??
-Ashley
Thanks for the great post and for not sugar coating your response.
I agree with you that we should not cut God out just to pay debt we're responsible for, but one thing I'm not sure about is your comment of God being our creditor. How does that compare to the NT teaching of grace giving.
Ashley - I whole heartedly believe that tithes should go to the church and offerings go to people in need like you are talking. Don't neglect giving to the local body, after all it is the bride of Christ.
Randy,
A very biblical and convicting post to be sure. However, your answer primarily dealt with monetary gifting. May I also add that the Lord appreciates our time and talents just as much as our treasure?
It is painful for me to see the hallowed 10% "number" being used to bludgeon people, even if most of the time it is self-inflicted. We agree as Christians that we all SIN! Whether early in our lives, or in our later years; if we make commitments that impede our ability to help the church financially, doing this simply proves (again) that we are faulty (sinful) children of God. Now, what we should be most thankful for, is that by the fullness of His grace, we are able to see our mistakes (sin) and repent! This doesn't mean we can correct the problem instantaneously by any means. But what comes to my heart when faced with an impossible (from a human perspective) burden is to first confess, express sorrow for the transgression, ask for guidance to correct the issue (in the long term). Then, by faith believe that you will be lead spiritually to see situations where you can contribute to your church in non-monetary ways until the debts are reduced or eliminated, and the monetary gifting shortfall can be mitigated.
I apologize for this rushed response but I see many non-monetary blessings in some of the previous posts:
- Melissa, May God bless your new business! As your business prospers, simply remember to increase (if you can) your gifting in gratitude to the blessings you've received. Proper Christian gifting/giving is driven by gratitude and NOT by any expectation of blessings as a result of our actions or gifts (prosperity gospel...).
- Shaun, You and your wife's Christian educations are of great value to you and your family from a spiritual perspective. Your children will also benefit greatly with you both having this firm foundation of faith. Also, having your degrees will enhance your future ability to gift in many ways including monetarily. God's blessings to you and your family!
- Ashley, You made my point perfectly... You give when you can and when you see a need! Your sponsorship of the children is priceless in God's eyes!
In Christ,
Dan...
Hi Ashley,
I help Randy out with the questions on his blog, and wanted to thank you for your comment and your honest question about tithing. Here's some information that I hope might be helpful.
Randy believes giving should start with your local church:
My personal feeling is that a minimum of 10% of any kind of income (salary, inheritance, extra jobs, etc.) should be given to the local church general fund. There is lots of room for extra giving beyond that. But that which belongs to the Lord, the first fruits, should be outside of your control. The example is in the book of Acts where the people laid their gifts at the feet of the apostles and the apostles decided how to use it. It’s an act of faith to relinquish control of the money in this way.
Here's a link to an excerpt, "Giving to the Local Church", from Randy's book Money, Possessions and Eternity that further addresses this question.
Blessings,
Stephanie Anderson
Eternal Perspective Ministries
www.epm.org
Thank you for your blog
Hi Dan,
i may have got this wrong but did you suggest to not give to the Church(Lords body)when in debt until all debt is cleared or when in a better positon to be able to give? Interesting!....if so, please can you enlightened me with where God reveals this in His Word. I'm also in debt heavly and am seeking what God has to say about this so supporting your suggestion with God's Word is something I'm interested in looking at.
thanks
Bob
Thanks for a helpful article. Dan, you are quite right that gifts of time and skill are very helpful to the church and pleasing ot God. But if you want to say that it can replace some or all of the official God-ordained tithe you need to show biblical support. But otherwise the gifts of time and skill are beautiful offerings (but not tithe).
The Bible says exactly the opposite, Bob. Giving during times of financial uncertainty is an act of faith, and without faith it's impossible to please God. (Hebrews 11:6) The poor widow in Luke 21:2-3 gave everything she owned and Jesus applauded her. We don't know what happened to her after that, but we do know what happened to the widow in 1 Kings 17, who gave the last of her flour and oil to Elijah as an act of faith and obedience: The flour and oil never ran out.
I understand that you're talking about the fact that you're in debt. But most of us have debt--at least a mortgage. Our family has some uncertainty right now with my husband's job, but we still give generously because we have a wealthy Father who has always taken care of us and always will.
The best thing you can do right now is to tithe. God will honor His promise to provide--and that's not prosperity theology. God wants us to have to the same attitude toward money as Forest Gump when he struck it rich: "That's one less thing to worry about." (That's not to say that He wants us rich.) Remember the lilies of the field? If God takes care of them, He'll take care of you. But Hebrews 10:38 says: "My righteous one shall live by faith; and if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him."
Take a step in faith to deliver yourself from your bondage to debt. May God bless you!
Okay, I'll go against the flow.
I'll start with a shock treatment.
First, the only people in the NT that were big on tithing crucified Jesus.
Second. Look to Gods free grace and mercy for provision. Whatever you do, never try to pay God back like he's some grumpy creditor that's going to withhold provisions from your family if you don't pay up. Seeing God as a creditor is outright pagan. Don't go there. Ever. Period.
Third. Saying something is not something is meaningless. Give to God and he'll give "provision" back to you IS the prosperity gospel. Jesus does say, you'll receive many times more then this... in money bags in heaven not as provisions down here. See the discussion after rich young ruler.
Fourth. Alcorn consistently runs to the OT for doctrine on giving. This is a lack of understanding of Covenant theology. Try quoting Paul, Peter, James, or John in the didactic teachings on giving. Yea.. not much there except "Give cheerfully". Or even Jesus, the giving he commended was someone who gave everything -- the widow. His recommendation on giving was everything -- rich young ruler. He completely trashed the people that tithed -- pharisees (though not for tithing).
My advice to this poor chap who wrote in with the question. Read John Piper's "Don't waste your life" especially Chapter 7. Go wartime or Missional, lifestyle or however you want to say it. Pay your bills and feed your kids.
Demonstrate by how you spend your life and money that God in Christ is Your Ultimate Treasure.
Christ propitiated Gods wrath completely. He purchased you. He expiated you. Anything good in you is from Him. Any attempt to pay God back is offering filthy rags to him don't do it. Instead think this: What shall I render to the Lord for all his benefits to me? I will lift up the cup of my salvation and say fill it again Lord. Read Piper's Future Grace book specifically the chapter on the Debtors Ethic. It's free online.
Future Grace can be found here. http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/OnlineBooks/ByTitle/1729_Future_Grace_Sample/
Don't Waster Your Life is here
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/OnlineBooks/ByTitle/1593_Dont_Waste_Your_Life/
Anonymous (June 15),
With all due respect, I think you're misunderstanding Randy. He's not saying that we should try to pay back God for his unmerited grace. Nor is he saying that 10% is a magic number. I understand him to say that it's a good baseline. But if you have the faith to give everything, I'm sure that Randy would be all for that!
Our salvation is by faith, but how do we determine who has faith and who doesn't? We will know them by their fruit (the outcome of faith). If we have faith, we won't stingily hold onto our money. We will give freely, knowing that our Father will always provide.
Let me try to distinguish this very biblical principle from prosperity theology. Prosperity theology focuses on earthly treasure--looking at giving almost as an investment to make us rich. But God wants to free us from our bondage to earthly treasure by promising that if we give, He will always provide. So we don't have to worry about the crumbling economy. Money is a real source of stress for many people. God wants to free us from that and help us focus on eternal treasure.
~ A.
In a comment above, Anonymous wrote:
"Alcorn consistently runs to the OT for doctrine on giving. This is a lack of understanding of Covenant theology."
Here's a Q & A written by Randy that addresses this subject:
Does the Old Testament model of tithing still apply to Christians today, since it was part of the old covenant?
Blessings,
Stephanie Anderson
Promotions Director
Eternal Perspective Ministries
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